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  "thread": {
    "id": 450,
    "subject": "I'm just wild about Saffron...they call me Mellow Yellow",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-03-27T10:57:01+00:00",
    "last": "1998-03-27T21:29:37+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0008-0675@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan Parmenter",
        "address": "dan at lec.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-27T10:57:01+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) I'm just wild about Saffron...they call me Mellow Yellow",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "From: m.driussi at genie.geis.com\nThe alcalde of Saltus also \"wore his yellow gown of office and his\ngold chain\" (II, ch. 4).\n\nThe Old Autarch wears the yellow robe and (in contrast to gold chain)\nan iron phallus necklace (containing, as it turns out, the autarchial\nalzabo extract [which =is= said to be more powerful, I believe, than\nthe Vodalarii version] and a skull smashing knife).\n\nMaster Gurloes gives Severian a memorable lecture about poisonous\naphrodesiacs and an iron phallus (II, ch. 7)."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "One of the more disturbing parts of the book actually.  Severian\nsuggests that Gurloes rather enjoys the prospect of rape and even\nremarks that he could manage it without the powder or iron phallus in\na crisis situation.  Ugh.\n\nAnd let's not forget the man-apes and their clubs."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Re: yellow and color symbolism:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "The explanations from Buddhism are all good and I thank you.  BTW I\ncertainly didn't intend to suggest that the saffron robes were\nsupposed to be a reference to Hare Krishnas.  I simply used that as\nan obvious point of comparison.\n\nFrom: \"Alice Turner\" <al at interport.net>\n\nI lived in Bangkok for a time, and saw Buddhist monks in their saffron"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "yellow robes daily.  In daily life, at least among English-speakers (and\nTBOTNS is written in English), the terms were used interchangeably."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "It nonetheless strikes me as quite significant for Wolfe to mention\nthe color as many times as he does and then to change the actual word\nat the very end.  Perhaps to strengthen my argument regarding subtle\ninconsistencies I need stronger examples than this, but I think the\nquestion remains open."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "From: C R Culver <CRCulver at aol.com>\n1) Severian, after the adventure at the Castle of Baldanders, is basically\nfriendless (his imagined Thecla doesn't count). He wonders north lonely. He\ncomes up a soldier who has died. The soldier, let's call him pre-Miles, has\ndied after some unfortunate mishap. So, Severian puts the Claw in his mouth,\nand his subconscious despair and loneliness manifest themselves, the Claw\nrecreates the personality of Jonas in the soldier, who wakes up as Miles. It\nwasn't entirely successful, as Miles isn't much of a friend (barely talks, is\naloof), although Severian tries to make one of him. Could this idea work?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Interestingly enough, when Severian and Miles compare notes at the\nlazaret, Miles says much the same about Severian, despite the fact\nthat Severian was convinced that he was babbling away.\n\nDan"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0008-0676@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "C R Culver",
        "address": "crculver at aol.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-27T21:29:37+00:00",
      "subject": "Re:  (urth) I'm just wild about Saffron...they call me Mellow Yellow",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0008-0675@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Dan said:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "One of the more disturbing parts of the book actually.  Severian\nsuggests that Gurloes rather enjoys the prospect of rape<"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Yes, but Severian's main point in his collected memoirs is that all men are\ntorturers at heart, and Gurloes fits in with this idea.\n\nChristopher R. Culver <crculver at aol.com>"
        }
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