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  "thread": {
    "id": 4540,
    "subject": "Embryonic Wolfe",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2006-02-23T03:35:16+00:00",
    "last": "2006-02-23T07:23:07+00:00"
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    {
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      "from": {
        "name": "mournings glory",
        "address": "mourningsglory at hotmail.com"
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      "date": "2006-02-23T03:35:16+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Embryonic Wolfe",
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          "text": "Some terrific discussion taking place lately over in the Asimov's Message \nBoard:\n\nhttp://www.asimovs.com/discus/messages/2/4857.html?1138501545\n\nAmong other things Gardner Dozois is currently reading (or more likely has \nprobably finished by now) Wolfe's _Soldier of Sidon_ which according to \nGardner *will be out in a couple of months.*\nBut even more fascinating, Dozois admits to having rejected a very early \nGene Wolfe novel -- quite possibly his first.\n\nDozois: <As for the early novel of Wolfe's that I did indeed reject (or, to \nbe more accurate, that I recommended that the editor not buy, since I was \njust a lowly slush-reader), it was hardly a hard SF novel--it was a \nmetaphysical novel about strange occult happenings in a small town, narrated \nby the unborn fetus of one of the characters, who dies in a miscarriage at \nthe end of the novel (in fact, as I recall, the last line was \"And then I \ndied.\").>\n\n<Gardner, I've never heard of such an early novel by Gene Wolfe. Did it \nprecede 'Operation Ares'?>\n\n<Yes. And he never did sell it to anybody, although after he became famous, \nhe probably could have, at least to some small press. >\n\nCould, I wonder, this possibly be _Frieda from the Fire_ mentioned in \nUrth-Man Extraordinary as a phantom title? If so, it sounds similar to one \nof my favorite all-time reads, Thomas Keneally's _Passenger_.\n\n13 19 7"
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      "from": {
        "name": "aramini1 at cox.net",
        "address": "aramini1 at cox.net"
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      "date": "2006-02-23T07:23:07+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Embryonic Wolfe",
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          "text": "In correspondence, Wolfe once indicated to me that he had written a novel before Operation Ares, that had \"entirely too much plot\" that was more like a mystery novel than SF.  He says he does not know where the manuscript is or what happened to it.  Sniff .... \n\nI am sad, it sounds like it could be interesting, even if it isn't \"great\" Wolfe."
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          "text": "From: \"mournings glory\" <mourningsglory at hotmail.com>\nDate: 2006/02/22 Wed PM 10:35:16 EST\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: (urth) Embryonic Wolfe\n\nSome terrific discussion taking place lately over in the Asimov's Message \nBoard:\n\nhttp://www.asimovs.com/discus/messages/2/4857.html?1138501545\n\nAmong other things Gardner Dozois is currently reading (or more likely has \nprobably finished by now) Wolfe's _Soldier of Sidon_ which according to \nGardner *will be out in a couple of months.*\nBut even more fascinating, Dozois admits to having rejected a very early \nGene Wolfe novel -- quite possibly his first.\n\nDozois: <As for the early novel of Wolfe's that I did indeed reject (or, to \nbe more accurate, that I recommended that the editor not buy, since I was \njust a lowly slush-reader), it was hardly a hard SF novel--it was a \nmetaphysical novel about strange occult happenings in a small town, narrated \nby the unborn fetus of one of the characters, who dies in a miscarriage at \nthe end of the novel (in fact, as I recall, the last line was \"And then I \ndied.\").>\n\n<Gardner, I've never heard of such an early novel by Gene Wolfe. Did it \nprecede 'Operation Ares'?>\n\n<Yes. And he never did sell it to anybody, although after he became famous, \nhe probably could have, at least to some small press. >\n\nCould, I wonder, this possibly be _Frieda from the Fire_ mentioned in \nUrth-Man Extraordinary as a phantom title? If so, it sounds similar to one \nof my favorite all-time reads, Thomas Keneally's _Passenger_.\n\n13 19 7\n\n\n_______________________________________________"
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