{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4565", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4565, "subject": "Changing Sev", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2006-04-08T07:39:28+00:00", "last": "2006-04-17T01:52:10+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<20060408073931.D9D48DA827@mailserver6.hushmail.com>", "from": { "name": "thalassocrat at nym.hush.com", "address": "thalassocrat at nym.hush.com" }, "date": "2006-04-08T07:39:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Changing Sev", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On the same theme as before ...\n\nIn Ch IV of Shadow, Sev says of his finding Triskele: \"I felt that \nit could have & should have changed everything, but it was only the \nepisode of a few months [ie, the week he had him & the remainder of \nwinter, during which he saw him once or twice a month] and when it \nwas over ... nothing had changed.\"\n\nIn Ch 19 of RTTW, Sev makes his comment about not putting SilkHorn \nin his book, because nobody would believe it. Remembering this \nprompts Hide/Hoof (whichever) to write his little passage about \nSilkHorn's terrifying goodness, concluding: \"... I think when \nsomebody is really, really good, as good as he was, the rules \nchange.\" \n\nSo maybe a hint that the change Sev had expected in Shadow will now \nactually occur in a new time-line, because of SilkHorn. \n\nThinking about what happens to Sev during the RTTW episodes, I do \nfind it hard to believe that subsequent events will follow the New \nSun course. Can Sev really carry on as torturer after basking in \nthe glow of SilkHorn's preternatrual goodness?\n\nInterrupted by Oreb while dragging Sev away, Gurloes flees from \nwhat he thinks is a sudden apparition of the dead Malrubius. \nInstead of following him, Sev calmly takes his visitors down to \nmeet Triskele. What would the next meeting between Gurloes and Sev \nbe like??? I don't see Sev getting away from any such meeting free \n& unmaimed. I think Sev's off through the underground corridoors \nwith Triskele, a torturer no more ...\n\n\n\n\n\nActually, though, the first meeting between Sev and SilkHorn is \nalso puzzling in this regard. SilkHorn, Hamer, Jahlee & presumably \na whole bunch of others from Hamer's courtroom get locked up in the \nMatachin tower, no doubt on the orders of Gurloes (whom SilkHorn \nsees; after a while they disappear. What does Gurloes do??? Also, \nSev brings SilkHorn pens and paper and hangs out with him, totally \ncontravening ati-ftaernization codes of conduct in a w" } ] }, { "message_id": "<000401c65b37$d93fbe00$103ec6d8@rclackey.stic.net>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2006-04-08T18:11:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Changing Sev", "in_reply_to": "<20060408073931.D9D48DA827@mailserver6.hushmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Andrew wrote:\nActually, though, the first meeting between Sev and SilkHorn is \nalso puzzling in this regard. SilkHorn, Hamer, Jahlee & presumably \na whole bunch of others from Hamer's courtroom get locked up in the \nMatachin tower, no doubt on the orders of Gurloes (whom SilkHorn \nsees; after a while they disappear. What does Gurloes do??? Also, \nSev brings SilkHorn pens and paper and hangs out with him, totally \ncontravening ati-ftaernization codes of conduct in a w" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Your post broke off mid-word. Where's the rest of it?\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060408212030.28958DA832@mailserver6.hushmail.com>", "from": { "name": "thalassocrat at nym.hush.com", "address": "thalassocrat at nym.hush.com" }, "date": "2006-04-08T21:20:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Changing Sev", "in_reply_to": "<000401c65b37$d93fbe00$103ec6d8@rclackey.stic.net>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 04:11:19 +1000 \"Roy C. Lackey\" \n wrote:\nYour post broke off mid-word. Where's the rest of it?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oops - wanted to think more about that; left it in by mistake." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4442F4CA.3010202@bitterman.net>", "from": { "name": "Thomas Bitterman", "address": "tom at bitterman.net" }, "date": "2006-04-17T01:52:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Changing Sev", "in_reply_to": "<20060408073931.D9D48DA827@mailserver6.hushmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "thalassocrat at nym.hush.com wrote:\nThinking about what happens to Sev during the RTTW episodes, I do \nfind it hard to believe that subsequent events will follow the New \nSun course." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If they don't, how will Sev write the book that Wolfe found and we read?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Can Sev really carry on as torturer after basking in \nthe glow of SilkHorn's preternatrual goodness?\n " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Many people were able to continue being bad after meeting SilkHorn. I'd \nlike to think\nthat Severian found SilkHorn just as tedious as I did and was just \nhumoring a well-meaning\nbut dotty old man.\n\nPerhaps Wolfe is using the meeting to point out the dangers of using a \nbook written many\nyears after a previous book to interpret the former.\n\n\nenamel" } ] } ] }