{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4584", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4584, "subject": "Thecla/Hethor", "messages": 7, "voices": 6, "first": "2006-05-05T15:21:46+00:00", "last": "2006-05-06T07:34:11+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "b sharp", "address": "bsharporflat at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-05T15:21:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Thecla/Hethor", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Matthew, thanks for the correct text submission. I should have waited until \nmy books were in front of me before posting. And I had considered your \ninterpretation of \"no shipmates\" to mean \"they are not my mates\".\n\nBy interesting coincidence I was just discussing with a friend about how \nAmericans don't use the word \"mate\" by itself to mean friend, usually. So I \nstill consider the phrase \"no shipmates\" to be a bit cryptic.\n\nPerhaps somewhere in the archives it was suggested that it meant Hethor \nkilled his shipmates (and ate them or fed them to his pets?)\n\nEither way, I'll still stick to my interpretation on the Thecla, Hethor and \nmaybe Appian connection, for now." } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060505170912.68649.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Macronaut", "address": "macronaut at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-05-05T17:09:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Thecla/Hethor", "in_reply_to": "<41048A26-9D41-4CD6-8B84-AE2178D56588@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hethor wouldn't need special powers to move backward\nin time if he had been a crewman on Tzadkiel's ship, a\nla Gunnie/Burgundofara. Speaking of which, where is\nthe little gray man on the ship mentioned?\n\nI don't know about shapeshifting, but the Hethor-Purn\nconnection is hard to ignore -- Hethor's talk about\nfeeding the \"dying pets,\" and Purn feeding the apports\nand noting that most of them die. So Purn seems a\nlikely candidate to me. Unless the gray man was\nworking in the apport zoo too.\n\nThis wiki thing is sounding better all the time,\nespecially if entries included page citations.\n\nMacronaut" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- Matthew King wrote:\n\nOn May 5, 2006, at 8:21 AM, b sharp wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Perhaps somewhere in the archives it was suggested\nthat it meant \nHethor\nkilled his shipmates (and ate them or fed them to\nhis pets?)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "More evidence that we need a wiki. Bless Google,\nbut I can't find \nthings in the archive when I need them." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Either way, I'll still stick to my interpretation\non the Thecla, \nHethor and\nmaybe Appian connection, for now." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The paracoita does seem more important than a mere\nfembot, if only \nbecause she is introduced in our introduction to\nHethor.\n\nHis immediate assumption of familiarity with\nSeverian in that scene \nstruck me today. Is it possible that Hethor lives\nbackward in time? \nDoes this mesh with the theory of a fallen\ncounterpart to Tzadkiel?\n\nI can't remember what happened at Severian's last\nencounter with \nHethor, which by this conjecture would be Hethor's\nfirst.\n\nMatthew\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2124d6b10605051023y32133d84x254feb5c55d97628@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "pthwndxrclzp", "address": "aquastor at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-05T17:23:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Thecla/Hethor", "in_reply_to": "<20060505170912.68649.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This raises an interesting question. What do y'all consider to be the\ncanonical editions of the books? The original Timescape paperbacks? Deluxe\nhc editions? The 2-in-1 Shadow/Claw Sword/Citadel trade paperbacks? The\n4-in-1 SF Book club edition (my personal reading fave for convenience's sake\nalone, but probably too obscure to be useful in citations)?\n\nP.S. Don't know if it's still the case, but even just a couple years ago you\ncould still sign up for the SF Book club and pick multiple copies of the\n4-in-1 Urth volume as your 6 free books. Great for St. Katharine's Day\ngifts!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/5/06, Macronaut wrote:\n\nThis wiki thing is sounding better all the time,\nespecially if entries included page citations." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "mournings glory", "address": "mourningsglory at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-05T17:37:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Thecla/Hethor", "in_reply_to": "<20060505170912.68649.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Macronaut " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Hethor wouldn't need special powers to move backward\nin time if he had been a crewman on Tzadkiel's ship, a\nla Gunnie/Burgundofara. Speaking of which, where is\nthe little gray man on the ship mentioned?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "URTH, Chapter XIII, \"The Battles,\" paragraph 3:\n\n\"Again my semblance stepped forward. Having relieved myself of something of \nthe contempt I felt for him, I was able to note his dragging foot and the \narrogant angle at which he poised his head. The leader spoke again, and a \nlittle man with dirty gray hair like Hethor's told me, 'He desires you to do \nlikewise. If you do not, we will kill you.'\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I don't know about shapeshifting, but the Hethor-Purn\nconnection is hard to ignore -- Hethor's talk about\nfeeding the \"dying pets,\" and Purn feeding the apports\nand noting that most of them die. So Purn seems a\nlikely candidate to me." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Excellent point, and one that I don't believe has been mentioned before.\n\nEmSG" } ] }, { "message_id": "<41048A26-9D41-4CD6-8B84-AE2178D56588@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-05T17:39:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Thecla/Hethor", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 5, 2006, at 8:21 AM, b sharp wrote:\nPerhaps somewhere in the archives it was suggested that it meant \nHethor\nkilled his shipmates (and ate them or fed them to his pets?)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "More evidence that we need a wiki. Bless Google, but I can't find \nthings in the archive when I need them." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Either way, I'll still stick to my interpretation on the Thecla, \nHethor and\nmaybe Appian connection, for now." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The paracoita does seem more important than a mere fembot, if only \nbecause she is introduced in our introduction to Hethor.\n\nHis immediate assumption of familiarity with Severian in that scene \nstruck me today. Is it possible that Hethor lives backward in time? \nDoes this mesh with the theory of a fallen counterpart to Tzadkiel?\n\nI can't remember what happened at Severian's last encounter with \nHethor, which by this conjecture would be Hethor's first.\n\nMatthew" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-05T19:35:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Edition Information (was Thecla/Hethor)", "in_reply_to": "<2124d6b10605051023y32133d84x254feb5c55d97628@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 5, 2006, at 10:23 AM, pthwndxrclzp wrote:\nThis raises an interesting question. What do y'all consider to be \nthe canonical editions of the books? The original Timescape \npaperbacks? Deluxe hc editions? The 2-in-1 Shadow/Claw Sword/ \nCitadel trade paperbacks? The 4-in-1 SF Book club edition (my \npersonal reading fave for convenience's sake alone, but probably \ntoo obscure to be useful in citations)?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "With the right information for each version, it shouldn't be too hard \nto put together an approximate-page-reference-translator.\n\nDoes anyone know of a convenient compilation of edition information? \nFor the omnibus editions, breakdown into pages by section would be \nnecessary." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "maru dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-06T07:34:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Thecla/Hethor", "in_reply_to": "<2124d6b10605051023y32133d84x254feb5c55d97628@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/5/06, pthwndxrclzp wrote:\nThis raises an interesting question. What do y'all consider to be the\ncanonical editions of the books? The original Timescape paperbacks? Deluxe\nhc editions? The 2-in-1 Shadow/Claw Sword/Citadel trade paperbacks? The\n4-in-1 SF Book club edition (my personal reading fave for convenience's sake\nalone, but probably too obscure to be useful in citations)?\n\nP.S. Don't know if it's still the case, but even just a couple years ago you\ncould still sign up for the SF Book club and pick multiple copies of the\n4-in-1 Urth volume as your 6 free books. Great for St. Katharine's Day\ngifts!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hmm. I don't really know. Does it actually matter? I mean, they are\nsimply different physical editions, and so far as I know, the actual\ntext doesn't vary (and varying texts, in the abstract sense, is the\nusual bone of contention), which would seem to be more important. It\ndoesn't seem to matter even for citations, since everybody in the list\nseems to go Book, Chapter, and verse, rather than page numbers.\n\n~maru" } ] } ] }