{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4597", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4597, "subject": "monsters", "messages": 7, "voices": 5, "first": "2006-05-18T18:55:54+00:00", "last": "2006-05-19T06:34:07+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "b sharp", "address": "bsharporflat at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-18T18:55:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) monsters", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, interesting. It seems there are at least two or three here who flout \nthe naming convention that urth humans have saint names and aliens have \nmythological names in BotNS. So Typhon (hundred headed Greek demon), \nBaldanders (Borges growing giant) and presumably Talos (bronze man, foe of \nJason) are humans in BotNS.\n\nIf so, are Abaia (meleanesian giant eel), Erebus (Greek darkness, son of \nChaos), Arioch (Miltonian, Moorcockian demon), Scylla (Greek monster, foe of \nOdysseus) and others of the 17 megatherians also human or of human origin?\n\nAnyway what are the names of the other 13? Could we guess Uroburos? \nextrapolate to Charybdis? Hydra? Leviathan? Moby Dick? Sponge Bob?\n\n*Okay, my last quiz didn't work out so well, perhaps this will, though it IS \na toughie. What color is Typhon's hair? (hint- to determine you'll need to \nglean and combine minor facts from both Sword and Urth)\n\n-bsharp" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370605181253g30c2e00bkb083868a46faf243@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-18T19:53:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) monsters", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Typhon's own hair? I'm pretty sure it's blond, contrasting\nwith Piaton's black. Unless I've reversed them." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/18/06, b sharp wrote:\nWell, interesting. It seems there are at least two or three here who flout\nthe naming convention that urth humans have saint names and aliens have\nmythological names in BotNS. So Typhon (hundred headed Greek demon),\nBaldanders (Borges growing giant) and presumably Talos (bronze man, foe of\nJason) are humans in BotNS.\n\nIf so, are Abaia (meleanesian giant eel), Erebus (Greek darkness, son of\nChaos), Arioch (Miltonian, Moorcockian demon), Scylla (Greek monster, foe of\nOdysseus) and others of the 17 megatherians also human or of human origin?\n\nAnyway what are the names of the other 13? Could we guess Uroburos?\nextrapolate to Charybdis? Hydra? Leviathan? Moby Dick? Sponge Bob?\n\n*Okay, my last quiz didn't work out so well, perhaps this will, though it IS\na toughie. What color is Typhon's hair? (hint- to determine you'll need to\nglean and combine minor facts from both Sword and Urth)\n\n-bsharp\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "mournings glory", "address": "mourningsglory at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-18T19:53:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) monsters", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: \"b sharp\" " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, interesting. It seems there are at least two or three here who flout\nthe naming convention that urth humans have saint names and aliens have\nmythological names in BotNS. So Typhon (hundred headed Greek demon),\nBaldanders (Borges growing giant) and presumably Talos (bronze man, foe of\nJason) are humans in BotNS." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm not sure the monster convention means those so named are aliens so much \nas non-human; at least that's the theory I favor." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "If so, are Abaia (meleanesian giant eel), Erebus (Greek darkness, son of\nChaos), Arioch (Miltonian, Moorcockian demon), Scylla (Greek monster, foe \nof\nOdysseus) and others of the 17 megatherians also human or of human origin?\nAnyway what are the names of the other 13? Could we guess Uroburos?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Absolutely Uroboros: \"I've heard that in the hot forests of the north, the \nAutarch of All Serpents is Uroboros, the brother of Abaia, and that hunters \nwho discover his burrow believe they have found a tunnel under the sea, and \ndescending it enter his mouth and all unknowing climb down his throat, so \nthat they are dead while they still believe themselves living...\"\n\nPossible others include Juripari and Catodon and maybe the being Humbaba's \nStick is named after, who's sort of a megatherian giant in the epic of \nGilgamish.\n\nmsghee" } ] }, { "message_id": "<001001c67ab8$cdd690c0$c53ec6d8@rclackey.stic.net>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2006-05-18T20:22:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) monsters", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "bsharp wrote:\n*Okay, my last quiz didn't work out so well, perhaps this will, though it\nIS\na toughie. What color is Typhon's hair? (hint- to determine you'll need to\nglean and combine minor facts from both Sword and Urth)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"Yellowish\" is the term Severian uses, by which I assume he means blond.\nThis was old hat, even before the clone wars. I do hope you're not going\n*there*. \n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "b sharp", "address": "bsharporflat at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-19T00:37:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) monsters", "in_reply_to": "<001001c67ab8$cdd690c0$c53ec6d8@rclackey.stic.net>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Okay the two eldest of the current posters win the quiz, Dan'l and Roy C. \nLackey with answers of yellow and blonde.\n\nRoy says:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"Yellowish\" is the term Severian uses, by which I assume he means blond.\nThis was old hat, even before the clone wars. I do hope you're not going\n*there*. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Roy, you are more than 7 years old, why so snippy? Especially toward a \nstripling of only a few weeks old like me. Perhaps it is because you \nsuspect I know your secret identity ;-).\n\nAnyway I haven't seen any previous references to Typhon's hair in the \narchives but I'd be glad to be pointed to them. I'd especially like to be \ndirected to the \"clone wars\" assuming that isn't a Star Wars reference.\n\nI'm also aghast (not really) at Roy, Jack Lyons, Alice Turner, Kieran Mullen \nand others 7 years ago for having an in depth discussion of Gilligan's \nIsland in here and not noting the spot on physical , personality and \nvocational resemblance of Ginger to Jolenta. Hmph!\n\n-bsharp" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370605182153k7cd28901v1537f0a8bc01b0f1@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-05-19T04:53:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) monsters", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "B,\n\nThe \"clone wars\" were a series of postings, some of them\nquite heated, on a propounded theory that Silk was a clone\nof Typhon, in itself not utterly imporobable, but then following\nwith a series of speculations that (for example) Auk was a\nclone of ... uh, wossname, the god of darkness ... and eventually\nincorporating characters from NS as possible clones of the\nGoddam Family (snap, snap)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/18/06, b sharp wrote:\nOkay the two eldest of the current posters win the quiz, Dan'l and Roy C.\nLackey with answers of yellow and blonde.\n\nRoy says:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "\"Yellowish\" is the term Severian uses, by which I assume he means blond.\nThis was old hat, even before the clone wars. I do hope you're not going\n*there*. " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Roy, you are more than 7 years old, why so snippy? Especially toward a\nstripling of only a few weeks old like me. Perhaps it is because you\nsuspect I know your secret identity ;-).\n\nAnyway I haven't seen any previous references to Typhon's hair in the\narchives but I'd be glad to be pointed to them. I'd especially like to be\ndirected to the \"clone wars\" assuming that isn't a Star Wars reference.\n\nI'm also aghast (not really) at Roy, Jack Lyons, Alice Turner, Kieran Mullen\nand others 7 years ago for having an in depth discussion of Gilligan's\nIsland in here and not noting the spot on physical , personality and\nvocational resemblance of Ginger to Jolenta. Hmph!\n\n-bsharp\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<446D66DF.5BD2FDEF@aon.at>", "from": { "name": "Georg Schönegger", "address": "g.schoenegger at aon.at" }, "date": "2006-05-19T06:34:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) monsters", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Anyway what are the names of the other 13? Could we guess Uroburos?\nextrapolate to Charybdis? Hydra? Leviathan? Moby Dick? Sponge Bob?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "a possible candidate might be Jurupari, whose symbol/face Agia leaves on\nthe floor in front of Agilus' cell.\n\nGeorg" } ] } ] }