# monsters *The Urth list — 7 messages, 5 voices, 18 May 2006* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### b sharp *18 May 2006, 18:55* Well, interesting. It seems there are at least two or three here who flout the naming convention that urth humans have saint names and aliens have mythological names in BotNS. So Typhon (hundred headed Greek demon), Baldanders (Borges growing giant) and presumably Talos (bronze man, foe of Jason) are humans in BotNS. If so, are Abaia (meleanesian giant eel), Erebus (Greek darkness, son of Chaos), Arioch (Miltonian, Moorcockian demon), Scylla (Greek monster, foe of Odysseus) and others of the 17 megatherians also human or of human origin? Anyway what are the names of the other 13? Could we guess Uroburos? extrapolate to Charybdis? Hydra? Leviathan? Moby Dick? Sponge Bob? *Okay, my last quiz didn't work out so well, perhaps this will, though it IS a toughie. What color is Typhon's hair? (hint- to determine you'll need to glean and combine minor facts from both Sword and Urth) -bsharp --- ### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes *18 May 2006, 19:53 · in reply to b sharp* Typhon's own hair? I'm pretty sure it's blond, contrasting with Piaton's black. Unless I've reversed them. > On 5/18/06, b sharp wrote: > Well, interesting. It seems there are at least two or three here who flout > the naming convention that urth humans have saint names and aliens have > mythological names in BotNS. So Typhon (hundred headed Greek demon), > Baldanders (Borges growing giant) and presumably Talos (bronze man, foe of > Jason) are humans in BotNS. > > If so, are Abaia (meleanesian giant eel), Erebus (Greek darkness, son of > Chaos), Arioch (Miltonian, Moorcockian demon), Scylla (Greek monster, foe of > Odysseus) and others of the 17 megatherians also human or of human origin? > > Anyway what are the names of the other 13? Could we guess Uroburos? > extrapolate to Charybdis? Hydra? Leviathan? Moby Dick? Sponge Bob? > > *Okay, my last quiz didn't work out so well, perhaps this will, though it IS > a toughie. What color is Typhon's hair? (hint- to determine you'll need to > glean and combine minor facts from both Sword and Urth) > > -bsharp > > > _______________________________________________ --- ### mournings glory *18 May 2006, 19:53 · in reply to b sharp* > From: "b sharp" > Well, interesting. It seems there are at least two or three here who flout > the naming convention that urth humans have saint names and aliens have > mythological names in BotNS. So Typhon (hundred headed Greek demon), > Baldanders (Borges growing giant) and presumably Talos (bronze man, foe of > Jason) are humans in BotNS. I'm not sure the monster convention means those so named are aliens so much as non-human; at least that's the theory I favor. > If so, are Abaia (meleanesian giant eel), Erebus (Greek darkness, son of > Chaos), Arioch (Miltonian, Moorcockian demon), Scylla (Greek monster, foe > of > Odysseus) and others of the 17 megatherians also human or of human origin? > Anyway what are the names of the other 13? Could we guess Uroburos? Absolutely Uroboros: "I've heard that in the hot forests of the north, the Autarch of All Serpents is Uroboros, the brother of Abaia, and that hunters who discover his burrow believe they have found a tunnel under the sea, and descending it enter his mouth and all unknowing climb down his throat, so that they are dead while they still believe themselves living..." Possible others include Juripari and Catodon and maybe the being Humbaba's Stick is named after, who's sort of a megatherian giant in the epic of Gilgamish. msghee --- ### Roy C. Lackey *18 May 2006, 20:22 · follows mournings glory* > bsharp wrote: > *Okay, my last quiz didn't work out so well, perhaps this will, though it > IS > a toughie. What color is Typhon's hair? (hint- to determine you'll need to > glean and combine minor facts from both Sword and Urth) "Yellowish" is the term Severian uses, by which I assume he means blond. This was old hat, even before the clone wars. I do hope you're not going *there*. -Roy --- ### b sharp *19 May 2006, 00:37 · follows Roy C. Lackey* Okay the two eldest of the current posters win the quiz, Dan'l and Roy C. Lackey with answers of yellow and blonde. Roy says: > "Yellowish" is the term Severian uses, by which I assume he means blond. > This was old hat, even before the clone wars. I do hope you're not going > *there*. Roy, you are more than 7 years old, why so snippy? Especially toward a stripling of only a few weeks old like me. Perhaps it is because you suspect I know your secret identity ;-). Anyway I haven't seen any previous references to Typhon's hair in the archives but I'd be glad to be pointed to them. I'd especially like to be directed to the "clone wars" assuming that isn't a Star Wars reference. I'm also aghast (not really) at Roy, Jack Lyons, Alice Turner, Kieran Mullen and others 7 years ago for having an in depth discussion of Gilligan's Island in here and not noting the spot on physical , personality and vocational resemblance of Ginger to Jolenta. Hmph! -bsharp --- ### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes *19 May 2006, 04:53 · in reply to b sharp* B, The "clone wars" were a series of postings, some of them quite heated, on a propounded theory that Silk was a clone of Typhon, in itself not utterly imporobable, but then following with a series of speculations that (for example) Auk was a clone of ... uh, wossname, the god of darkness ... and eventually incorporating characters from NS as possible clones of the Goddam Family (snap, snap). > On 5/18/06, b sharp wrote: > Okay the two eldest of the current posters win the quiz, Dan'l and Roy C. > Lackey with answers of yellow and blonde. > > Roy says: >> "Yellowish" is the term Severian uses, by which I assume he means blond. >> This was old hat, even before the clone wars. I do hope you're not going >> *there*. > Roy, you are more than 7 years old, why so snippy? Especially toward a > stripling of only a few weeks old like me. Perhaps it is because you > suspect I know your secret identity ;-). > > Anyway I haven't seen any previous references to Typhon's hair in the > archives but I'd be glad to be pointed to them. I'd especially like to be > directed to the "clone wars" assuming that isn't a Star Wars reference. > > I'm also aghast (not really) at Roy, Jack Lyons, Alice Turner, Kieran Mullen > and others 7 years ago for having an in depth discussion of Gilligan's > Island in here and not noting the spot on physical , personality and > vocational resemblance of Ginger to Jolenta. Hmph! > > -bsharp > > > _______________________________________________ --- ### Georg Schönegger *19 May 2006, 06:34 · in reply to b sharp* > Anyway what are the names of the other 13? Could we guess Uroburos? > extrapolate to Charybdis? Hydra? Leviathan? Moby Dick? Sponge Bob? a possible candidate might be Jurupari, whose symbol/face Agia leaves on the floor in front of Agilus' cell. Georg ---