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  "thread": {
    "id": 4601,
    "subject": "pedophilia",
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    "first": "2006-05-19T11:55:41+00:00",
    "last": "2006-05-19T11:55:41+00:00"
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      "from": {
        "name": "b sharp",
        "address": "bsharporflat at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2006-05-19T11:55:41+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) pedophilia",
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          "text": "(golden Severa etc. doesn't seem the right title for this thread)\n\nDavid DiGiacomo exclaims:"
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          "text": "Wait a second, I missed something - are you saying that Wolfe used this\nidea of innocence in describing Baldanders's catamite?  How exactly?"
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          "text": "No, I suggested that Wolfe might be using this ideal of innocence to \ndescribe Dorcas.  And that Baldanders was thus inspired to clone his \ncatamite from Dorcas cells, using the later eviscerated Pia-sister as a \ngestational incubator for the homunculus in the manner he previously used to \ncreate Talos. (he wouldn't wait for it to develop, full term).\n\nhe also notes:"
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          "text": "These traits are just our societal norms of attractiveness.  They are\nnot unique to children."
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          "text": "Hm.. depends on what you mean by \"our societal norms\", David.  If you mean \nmainstream American culture since the late 60's, then I can conditionally \nagree. Many have indicted this culture (which has spread worldwide in the \npast 40 years) as tending toward pedophilic standards of beauty.  The \nprevalence of body hair shaving, waxing, depililation, weight loss, tanning \nsalons, intensive exercise, botox and plastic surgery reflect attractiveness \nstandards which worship excessively prolonged youth.\n\nArt from the past, from the Venus of Willendorf to Peter Paul Rubens, \nsuggests that there are times in history when the high standard of beauty \nwas closer to the form of a voluptuous, mature woman.  And of course not \nevery culture nor every person in this modern world thinks a slim, innocent, \nchild-like waif is the ideal form of an attractive woman.  We might be able \nto blame a likely gay and pedophilic Alexander the Great for spreading the \nmale practice of beard shaving.\n\nWho is old enough to remember when a hairy chest was considered universally \ndesireble in a man in the USA?  When European women didn't shave their arms \nor legs?   Check out Marilyn Monroe closely...by today's beauty standards \nshe is bit chubby and flabby.  Wolfe lived his prime years of life while \nthis transition in standards occurred.  Perhaps it made an impact.\n\n-bsharp"
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