{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4640", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4640, "subject": "Short Story ID?", "messages": 5, "voices": 4, "first": "2006-06-02T17:07:52+00:00", "last": "2006-06-02T19:43:14+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "mfstraight at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-06-02T17:07:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story ID?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm trying to remember the name of one of Wolfe's older short stories. It's\ntold from two points of view - one, some sort of archeologist type character\nwriting a report and seeing the action of the story from a scientific point\nof view, the other, from the native alien's point of view who sees the\naction as magical/mythical. I think maybe the alien point of view is in\nitalics throughout.\n\nI'm pretty sure it's not in Endangered Species, Island of Doctor Death and\nOther Stories and Other Stories, or any of the collections after IODDAOSAOS.\n\nI'd been calling it \"Thag\" in my head, but just realized that \"Thag\" is a\ntotally different story." } ] }, { "message_id": "<448074B7.7020309@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Jesper Svedberg", "address": "jsvedberg at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-06-02T17:26:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story ID?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Michael Straight skrev:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I'm trying to remember the name of one of Wolfe's older short stories. \nIt's told from two points of view - one, some sort of archeologist type \ncharacter writing a report and seeing the action of the story from a \nscientific point of view, the other, from the native alien's point of \nview who sees the action as magical/mythical. I think maybe the alien \npoint of view is in italics throughout. \n\nI'm pretty sure it's not in Endangered Species, Island of Doctor Death \nand Other Stories and Other Stories, or any of the collections after \nIODDAOSAOS.\n\nI'd been calling it \"Thag\" in my head, but just realized that \"Thag\" is \na totally different story." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This might be \"Trip, Trap\", found in _Storeys from the Old Hotel_. I \nhaven't got the collection with me at the moment, but I seem to remember \nit being told alternately from the rational viewpoint of the visiting \nhuman and the magical viewpoint of the native alien.\n\n\n // Jesper" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060602172945.65306.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Matt Sab", "address": "mbs808 at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-06-02T17:29:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) surprising GW appearance", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was just looking over Aquarius Records' (a record\nstore in SF) mailing from a week or so ago and\ndiscovered a surprising GW appearance. Here is the\nrecord review in full:\n \n\nBLOODHAG \"Hell Bent For Letters\" (Alternative\nTentacles) cd 12.98\n It takes a LOT for a joke band to impress us.\nFirst, the joke has to be really funny. Second, the\nmusic STILL has to rule. Or at least be good enough to\nmake the joke worthwhile. Nothing worse than \na joke band that relies totally on their gimmick.\n No need to worry about the mighty Bloodhag, the\nvery heavy masters of all things Edu-Core. For those\nnew to the 'Hag, imagine four nerds, white collared\nshirts (tucked in of course), totally \nobsessed with science fiction, so much so that each\nsong is the name of an author, and of course the\nlyrics discuss the authors and their finest works,\nlive the band hurls sci-fi paperbacks into the \naudience, and they even did an entire tour playing\nonly in libraries!! It stops being a joke when it's\nthis well researched and executed. Check out the\ncover too, a headless demon, laying atop a \npile of books, the band dead with an 'overdue' notice\nstuck to one of their corpses, a warrior librarian,\nwielding a sword, clutching the \ndemon's head, wearing sexy librarian glasses and of\ncourse with her library ID still around her neck.\nAwesome. Plus it's called Hell Bent \nFor Letters! Fuck yeah! Check the Cavalar review\nelsewhere on the list for a rant on punny band names.\n What do they sound like? Sort of like a thrash\nmetal Karp, sludgy guitars, galloping drums, shouted\nvocals, sometimes thrashy and noisy, sometimes\ngloriously epic, sometimes sort of grunt and \ndeath metally. But pay close attention, you might\nlearn something. \n\nThe tracks this time around (and Andee's take on the\nbooks by the authors referenced):\n \"Gene Wolfe\" (you must read his Book Of The New\nSun series, so massive and dense and epic. One of the\nweirdest worlds ever written)\n \"Robert Silverberg\" (just read Book Of Skulls\non the recommendation of AQ pal Barbara D.,\ndisturbingly racist and misogynistic and homophobic\n(like many books written in the seventies) but if you\ncan get past that, it's really intense and \nfucked up and so strangely mysterious. Being made into\na movie which seems like a bad move)\n \"Douglas Adams\" (recently re-read the\nHitchhikers Guide 'trilogy' and it's still pretty\ndarn funny. The movie was pretty good \ntoo)\n \"Orson Scott Card\" (the Enders series is the\nseries that made me love science fiction, just don't\nread any of the introductions or \nyou'll realize what a Mormon kook he is and it might\nruin it for you)\n \"Greg Bear\" (The Forge Of God and Anvil Of\nStars: one of the best sci-fi one-two punches ever.\nSo epic and amazing!)\n Okay, we could go on and on, the rest of the\ntracks / authors: \n\"James Blish\", \"Anne M. Caffrey\", \"Iain M. banks\",\n\"Edgar Allen Poe\", \n\"Philip Jose Farmer\", \"Michael Swanwick\", \"Frederik\nPohl\", \"Thomas M. \nDisch\", \"Franz Kafka\", \"Madeline L'Engle\" and \"Jack\nWomack\".\n If you like metal, you'll like Bloodhag. If you\nlike science fiction, you -might- like Bloodhag. But\nif you love metal AND love science fiction, then pick\nup this slab of crushing edu-core, you \njust might learn something!" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "mfstraight at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-06-02T17:46:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story ID?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, I'm sure that's right. At least I remembered the 'T'. Thank you." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-06-02T19:43:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story ID?", "in_reply_to": "<448074B7.7020309@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Jesper Svedberg wrote:\nMichael Straight skrev:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I'm trying to remember the name of one of Wolfe's older short \nstories.\nIt's told from two points of view - one, some sort of archeologist \ntype\ncharacter writing a report and seeing the action of the story from a\nscientific point of view, the other, from the native alien's point of\nview who sees the action as magical/mythical. I think maybe the \nalien\npoint of view is in italics throughout.\n\nI'm pretty sure it's not in Endangered Species, Island of Doctor \nDeath\nand Other Stories and Other Stories, or any of the collections after\nIODDAOSAOS.\n\nI'd been calling it \"Thag\" in my head, but just realized that \n\"Thag\" is\na totally different story." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "This might be \"Trip, Trap\", found in _Storeys from the Old Hotel_. I\nhaven't got the collection with me at the moment, but I seem to \nremember\nit being told alternately from the rational viewpoint of the visiting\nhuman and the magical viewpoint of the native alien." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That is definitely Trip, Trap from _Storeys_. IIRC, that is also \nthe story Wolfe is referring to when he says Damon Knight grew him \nfrom a bean." } ] } ] }