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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4648, "subject": "Looking for dictionary recommedations", "messages": 15, "voices": 12, "first": "2006-06-12T01:32:32+00:00", "last": "2006-06-15T04:27:09+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<20060612013232.77697.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Kate Savage", "address": "katesavage2001 at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-06-12T01:32:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am looking for dictionary recommendations. I would like to purchase a good reference book for all those obscure word's Wolfe use that I have never seen before. I am thinking if getting a used copy of the Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary but it isn't the handiest format for casually looking up unfamiliar words. I am also thinking of the Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. \n \n Any other suggestions?\n \n Thanks in advance." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris", "address": "rasputin_ at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2006-06-12T02:44:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060612013232.77697.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think there is a version of the OED that gives you access to their online \nedition. It is really quite handy." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I am looking for dictionary recommendations. I would like to purchase a \ngood reference book for all those obscure word's Wolfe use that I have \nnever seen before. I am thinking if getting a used copy of the Compact \nEdition of the Oxford English Dictionary but it isn't the handiest format \nfor casually looking up unfamiliar words. I am also thinking of the \nWebster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged.\n\n Any other suggestions?\n\n Thanks in advance." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<448CD928.4000501@charter.net>", "from": { "name": "JWillard", "address": "aldenweer at charter.net" }, "date": "2006-06-12T03:02:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060612013232.77697.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Kate Savage wrote:\nI am looking for dictionary recommendations. I would like to purchase \na good reference book for all those obscure word's Wolfe use that I \nhave never seen before. I am thinking if getting a used copy of the \nCompact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary but it isn't the \nhandiest format for casually looking up unfamiliar words. I am also \nthinking of the Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged.\n \nAny other suggestions?\n \nThanks in advance.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060612022049.O6691-100000@heimdallr.dyndns.org>", "from": { "name": "Mark Millman", "address": "millman at heimdallr.dyndns.org" }, "date": "2006-06-12T06:35:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060612013232.77697.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Kate,\n\nYou might also want to get a copy of _Mrs.\nByrne's Dictionary of Unusual, Obscure, and\nPreposterous Words_, by Josefa Heifetz Byrne.\nWolfe has referred to it in, I believe, an\nessay or an interview, and it has some words\nthat are tough to find even in the OED.\n\nThen there's always _The Castle of the Otter_,\ncollected in _Castle of Days_ but frequently\navailable on the secondary market, and\nMichael Andre-Driussi's _Lexicon Urthus_,\nthough this latter is very difficult to find,\nand usually quite costly when found. I have\na copy of _Castle_ I can give you--let me\nknow by private e-mail whether or not you al-\nready have a copy--but the three copies of\nthe _Lexicon_ I found are $225 (abebooks),\n$250 (Amazon), and $495 (!--abebooks again),\nrespectively.\n\nOr you personally may send me vocabulary\nlists if you like, and I'll send definitions.\n(This offer available only to Kate Savage.)\n\nMark" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Kate Savage wrote:\nI am looking for dictionary recommen-\ndations. I would like to purchase a\ngood reference book for all those ob-\nscure word's Wolfe use that I have\nnever seen before. I am thinking if\ngetting a used copy of the Compact\nEdition of the Oxford English Dic-\ntionary but it isn't the handiest\nformat for casually looking up unfa-\nmiliar words. I am also thinking of\nthe Webster's Third New Internation-\nal Dictionary, Unabridged.\n\nAny other suggestions?\n\nThanks in advance." } ] }, { "message_id": "<7442176.1150119288220.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>", "from": { "name": "Robert Davies", "address": "robertedavies at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2006-06-12T13:34:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060612022049.O6691-100000@heimdallr.dyndns.org>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I got a hardcover copy of Lexicon Urthus from Amazon.com a year or two ago for around $25. I can't imagine it's that hard to get. You may be better off with ebay than online booksellers. They have delusions of grandeur sometimes ($495!).\n\nRob\n\n-----Original Message-----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Mark Millman \nSent: Jun 12, 2006 2:35 AM\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nCc: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations\n\nKate,\n\nYou might also want to get a copy of _Mrs.\nByrne's Dictionary of Unusual, Obscure, and\nPreposterous Words_, by Josefa Heifetz Byrne.\nWolfe has referred to it in, I believe, an\nessay or an interview, and it has some words\nthat are tough to find even in the OED.\n\nThen there's always _The Castle of the Otter_,\ncollected in _Castle of Days_ but frequently\navailable on the secondary market, and\nMichael Andre-Driussi's _Lexicon Urthus_,\nthough this latter is very difficult to find,\nand usually quite costly when found. I have\na copy of _Castle_ I can give you--let me\nknow by private e-mail whether or not you al-\nready have a copy--but the three copies of\nthe _Lexicon_ I found are $225 (abebooks),\n$250 (Amazon), and $495 (!--abebooks again),\nrespectively.\n\nOr you personally may send me vocabulary\nlists if you like, and I'll send definitions.\n(This offer available only to Kate Savage.)\n\nMark\n\n\nOn Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Kate Savage wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I am looking for dictionary recommen-\ndations. I would like to purchase a\ngood reference book for all those ob-\nscure word's Wolfe use that I have\nnever seen before. I am thinking if\ngetting a used copy of the Compact\nEdition of the Oxford English Dic-\ntionary but it isn't the handiest\nformat for casually looking up unfa-\nmiliar words. I am also thinking of\nthe Webster's Third New Internation-\nal Dictionary, Unabridged.\n\nAny other suggestions?\n\nThanks in advance." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060612142716.47056.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Macronaut", "address": "macronaut at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-06-12T14:27:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060612013232.77697.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You might also consider the DVD version of the OED. \nMuch easier to search, and it's far cheaper.\n\nMacronaut" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- Kate Savage wrote:\nI am looking for dictionary recommendations. I would\nlike to purchase a good reference book for all those\nobscure word's Wolfe use that I have never seen\nbefore. I am thinking if getting a used copy of the\nCompact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary but\nit isn't the handiest format for casually looking up\nunfamiliar words. I am also thinking of the\nWebster's Third New International Dictionary,\nUnabridged. \n \n Any other suggestions?\n \n Thanks in advance." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060612142938.61524.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Kate Savage", "address": "katesavage2001 at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-06-12T14:29:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060612142716.47056.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thank you for the wonderful advice about dictionaries. I have Castle of Days Gene Wolfe himself picked it out from me when I meet him at Readercon. (I asked him for a recommendation saying I would rather stay away from multiple volumes sets but would like an introduction to his work). I read some of it and set it aside. I was unaware of the comments he had on dictionaries or of The Castle of the Otter and I think I will read both tonight. It is ironic that I was at a bookstore recently and could not decide between an American Heritage and the Merriam-Webster's unabridged dictionary. Both were shrink-wrapped and I came very close to getting the American Heritage.\n \n I think I will buy Byrne's Dictionary of Unusual, Obscure, and Preposterous Words as well as The New York Times Everyday Reader's Dictionary of Misunderstood, Misused, Mispronounced Words. I have a bid in on a copy of OED, so hopefully I will get it for a reasonable sum. I am sadly aware of the Lexicon Urthus. I had not thought about a Latin-English dictionary before but it is an excellent idea.\n \nMark — what a kind offer! I may take you up on it. My husband and I were talking about Wolfe’s vocabulary the other night. Tom said that he believes Wolfe sometimes will take a word and shift its definition a little to better suit his purpose. I may find a definition for an obscure word and find that it may still be not quite right.\n \n Does anyone have the contact information for Michael Andre-Driussi? It seems that a publisher like Wildside Press could put the Lexicon Urthus back in print.\n\n\n\nI have been having trouble with my Yahoo account. Please try my work email or call me if I don't return email in a timely fashion." } ] }, { "message_id": "<000a01c68e46$d5d37da0$413ec6d8@rclackey.stic.net>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2006-06-12T17:37:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060612142938.61524.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Kate Savage wrote:\nDoes anyone have the contact information for Michael Andre-Driussi? It\nseems that a publisher like Wildside Press could put the Lexicon Urthus back\nin print.<<" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "He is working, if intermittently, on an expanded edition. See here for more\ninfo.\n\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "<200606121806.18458.ddjones@riddlemaster.org>", "from": { "name": "Daniel D Jones", "address": "ddjones at riddlemaster.org" }, "date": "2006-06-12T22:06:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060612142716.47056.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Monday 12 June 2006 10:27, Macronaut wrote:\nYou might also consider the DVD version of the OED.\nMuch easier to search, and it's far cheaper." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You must be referring to the Concise OED DVD. I haven't seen the OED Single \nUser Edition for under $400." } ] }, { "message_id": "<001001c68e90$82c9dce0$0afa06cf@rw9s6no3t0dhzd>", "from": { "name": "Russell Wodell", "address": "wrustle at telus.net" }, "date": "2006-06-13T02:24:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<000a01c68e46$d5d37da0$413ec6d8@rclackey.stic.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I obtained the Lexicon fairly easily through interlibrary loan in Canada; it \neven came from an American library, without charge, in about two weeks. \nNormally I wouldn't do this for a book still in print, but as others have \nnoted, the price now is prohibitive.\n\nWouldn't a Wolfe wiki more or less have to include, or duplicate, all of \nAndre-Driussi's hard work?\n\nRussell\n----- Original Message ----- " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: \"Roy C. Lackey\" \nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nSent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:37 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations\nKate Savage wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Does anyone have the contact information for Michael Andre-Driussi? It\nseems that a publisher like Wildside Press could put the Lexicon Urthus \nback\nin print.<<" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "He is working, if intermittently, on an expanded edition. See here for \nmore\ninfo.\n\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/\n\n-Roy\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<448E6A87.6000605@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2006-06-13T07:34:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<001001c68e90$82c9dce0$0afa06cf@rw9s6no3t0dhzd>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Russell Wodell wrote:\nI obtained the Lexicon fairly easily through interlibrary loan in Canada; it \neven came from an American library, without charge, in about two weeks. \nNormally I wouldn't do this for a book still in print, but as others have \nnoted, the price now is prohibitive.\n\nWouldn't a Wolfe wiki more or less have to include, or duplicate, all of \nAndre-Driussi's hard work?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "some of it, but his work itself duplicates Wolfe's hard work.... Of \ncourse, wikifying the book is likely to produce new insights and \ndiscoveries that can be fed back into the new edition of the LEXICON, so \nhe may be more than repaid for the few unbound copies unsold to \ndilletantes who satisfy their curiosity with the wiki instead." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060613143242.64865.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Macronaut", "address": "macronaut at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-06-13T14:32:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<200606121806.18458.ddjones@riddlemaster.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No, but I meant only that the DVD version (full or\nconcise) is much, much cheaper than trying to get the\nOED in print.\n\nMacronaut" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- Daniel D Jones wrote:\nOn Monday 12 June 2006 10:27, Macronaut wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "You might also consider the DVD version of the\nOED.\nMuch easier to search, and it's far cheaper." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "You must be referring to the Concise OED DVD. I\nhaven't seen the OED Single \nUser Edition for under $400.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060613204118.95881.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Kate Savage", "address": "katesavage2001 at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-06-13T20:41:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060613143242.64865.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Mon 12 Jun 2006 12:37 Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nHe is working, if intermittently, on an expanded edition. See here for \nmore info." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "http://www.siriusfiction.com/" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was going to post an update to the list about the site you mentioned. There are photocopied spiral bound versions of the Lexicon Urthus for $25 for those who want the information and don't have $225 plus to spend.\n \n I also noticed he has some other booklets on the New Sun and Long Sun. Has anyone read them?\n\n\nI have been having trouble with my Yahoo account. Please try my work email or call me if I don't return email in a timely fashion." } ] }, { "message_id": "<0445BAD9-16F6-477D-AC56-2165AD7510C4@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2006-06-14T04:16:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060613204118.95881.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jun 13, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Kate Savage wrote:\nI was going to post an update to the list about the site you \nmentioned. There are photocopied spiral bound versions of the \nLexicon Urthus for $25 for those who want the information and don't \nhave $225 plus to spend.\n\nI also noticed he has some other booklets on the New Sun and Long \nSun. Has anyone read them?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "a) the spiral-bound Lexicon is well worth the $25\nb) I have read all the booklets; they're all worth reading. So is \n_Snake's-Hands_ if you're into John Crowley. As I am.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "maru dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-06-15T04:27:09+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Looking for dictionary recommedations", "in_reply_to": "<20060612142716.47056.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 6/12/06, Macronaut wrote:\nYou might also consider the DVD version of the OED.\nMuch easier to search, and it's far cheaper.\n\nMacronaut" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "To be honest, I'd have to disagree. I own the Compact OED and I've\nused the disc versions, and the COED is a better choice. The price\ndifferential doesn't really justify one over the other (for such a\nlong-term purchase, anyway), and even worse, the disc version is\nWindows-only. In ten or 20 years, which one do you think will still be\nas useful as the day they were bought? (And that's assuming one even\nuses Windows, which isn't a safe assumption). No doubt there are other\nreasons other than simply future-proofing things.\n\n~maru" } ] } ] }