{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4670", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4670, "subject": "Agia/Hypogeon/Inire", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2006-07-24T11:53:04+00:00", "last": "2006-07-25T23:51:41+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "b sharp", "address": "bsharporflat at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2006-07-24T11:53:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Agia/Hypogeon/Inire", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Roy writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Jeff is right about the man-apes of the treasure mine being the autarch's \nto\ncommand -- see the first page of chapter XXXI in CITADEL." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Cyriaca, who spent long hours with her special, very knowledgable uncle, \nforces us to question whether Father Inire is the humble vizier and servant \nof the autarchs. I think I'm not the only one to consider that the chain of \nautarchs might be puppets to the (nearly) immortal Inire. The autarchs \nmight command the man-apes but I don't think they created them. And the \ndisturbed, subterranean behemoth? We know that Abaia is beneath the ocean \nbut he is not the only megatherian.\n\nI see little evidence that Father Inire is working FOR the New Sun...in 1000 \nyears only three autarchs make the trip to Yesod? And quite a gap in the \nmiddle of that millenium...There is something special about the three who \nwent. Possibly a streak of independence from Inire. Why does the old \nautarch, Appian, have his own set of mirrors? The parable of Ymar shows he \nis not so easily swayed by women and wealth (like the corrupt autarch in the \nplay). Rather he, (like Severian) is happy to follow a dog....\n\nRoy asks:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Am I reading you right? Are you seriously suggesting that Inire was working \nto prevent the coming of the New Sun?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am currently finding it fruitful to interpret almost everything in the \nBotNS within a framework which describes the rise of Christianity in \nreplacement of earlier pagan religions (in the Western world anyway). To \nanswer Roy's question I would ask, \"were Apollo and Jupiter (and Ra and Anu, \netc.) working to prevent the coming of Jesus?\"\n\nTo answer I would say no, these pagan gods were just pursuing their own \ngoals which might be beyond human understanding. But the followers of these \ngods were definitely fighting the rise of Christianity. I think true \nbelieving Christians would assert that God allowed these pagan religions to \nflourish as part of the preparation of the Earth for Christ.\n\nSo too I think Father Inire, the master manipulator, has himself been \nmanipulated by higher powers to help prepare Urth for the coming of the New \nSun. Like the Greek Gods I think Inire (et al.) is near-immortal, \nanimal-associated and shape-shifting (in the way of Tzadkiel). Like the \nGreek gods he amuses himself with dalliances with human women and enjoys \ngetting involved in human wars. Appian seem to cynically realize they are \nbeing manipulated by the gods for fun, asking Severian if he'd like to \nswitch armies...or maybe have both...\n\nIf we wonder what happened to Father Inire and the others of his kind on \nUrth, I think it was the same fate that befell the pagan gods who were swept \naway by Christianity; the same fate of all gods who find themselves without \nany believers.\n\n-bsharp" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4EE5A69A-3FE6-454B-9AEF-C3D784E6DE26@ntlworld.com>", "from": { "name": "HHR", "address": "hubert.rogers at ntlworld.com" }, "date": "2006-07-24T17:48:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Soldier of Sidon info?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think I read on the mailing list a while back that some people had \nalready got their advance copies of Sidon to review. If so, then can \nwe have any general impressions please :-) (spoiler free of course) \nWhat's the front cover like?\n\nIn Mist and Arete I always hoped Latro would venture beyond Greece \nand Thrace. In an IRC interview Wolfe said that the 3rd book was set \nin Persian occupied Egypt, which is bound to be fascinating, though I \nsure hope that Latro travels to the Levant at least. Any of Sidon/ \nTyre/Byblos/Gaza/Jerusalem would be great to visit.\n\nAnticipation!!!!\n\n---\nHHR" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370607241159k45f3c4abr254096285083e21e@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-07-24T18:59:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Soldier of Sidon info?", "in_reply_to": "<4EE5A69A-3FE6-454B-9AEF-C3D784E6DE26@ntlworld.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "ARCs usually have plain paper covers with only some type giving the\npublishing information and noting that it is an ARC." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/24/06, HHR wrote:\n\nI think I read on the mailing list a while back that some people had\nalready got their advance copies of Sidon to review. If so, then can\nwe have any general impressions please :-) (spoiler free of course)\nWhat's the front cover like?\n\nIn Mist and Arete I always hoped Latro would venture beyond Greece\nand Thrace. In an IRC interview Wolfe said that the 3rd book was set\nin Persian occupied Egypt, which is bound to be fascinating, though I\nsure hope that Latro travels to the Levant at least. Any of Sidon/\nTyre/Byblos/Gaza/Jerusalem would be great to visit.\n\nAnticipation!!!!\n\n---\nHHR\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060725235141.40008.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "don doggett", "address": "kingwukong at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-07-25T23:51:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Soldier of Sidon info?", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370607241159k45f3c4abr254096285083e21e@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nARCs usually have plain paper covers with only some\ntype giving the\npublishing information and noting that it is an ARC." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This is indeed what my copy is like though the\ninterior (minus a few typos) seems finished. The\nchapter heads are illustrated like the Wizard Knight.\nIt's as good as the other two, and that's all I'll\nsay.\n\nDon" } ] } ] }