{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4672", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4672, "subject": "teratoid symbols", "messages": 10, "voices": 7, "first": "2006-07-25T15:22:32+00:00", "last": "2006-07-28T14:34:06+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "b sharp", "address": "bsharporflat at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2006-07-25T15:22:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In a recent criticism of my Urth before Earth ideas, one anonymous reviewer \nasserted that Earth must be in the past of Urth because of\n\n\"the radiation hazard warning signs in the House Absolute, the radioactive \nisotopes in the mine at Saltus which have decayed to stable, non-radioactive \nheavy metals\"\n\nAre these Lupinology world truisms or the foibles of this one person?\n\nRegarding radiation hazard warning signs, I have seen mention of them in the \npast but I didn't know it was accepted dogma as explanation for the teratoid \nsymbols which seem to mark Father Inire's areas. Worth addressing.\n\nI think the interpretation is a mistake, though understandable. Radiation \nsources are often referred to as \"teratogenic\" but radiation is only one of \na number of teratogens. The terato prefix means malformed. And its roots \nare from Greek for monster (or portent).\n\nI suspect Wolfe intended that interpretation for Father Inire.\n\n-bsharp" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370607251014j34a88259k4d1b41dea2fefc8@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-07-25T17:14:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In medicine, \"teratoid\" means resembling a teras, or grotesquely deformed.\n(A teras is a deformed embryo.)\n\nAn online version of Webster's defines \"teratoid\" as \"resembling a monster.\"\n\nIn short, \"teratoid symbols\" would not at all resemble a contemporary\nradiation hazard warning sign, but would be either grossly deformed\nor monstrous-looking symbols." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/25/06, b sharp wrote:\nIn a recent criticism of my Urth before Earth ideas, one anonymous reviewer\nasserted that Earth must be in the past of Urth because of\n\n\"the radiation hazard warning signs in the House Absolute, the radioactive\nisotopes in the mine at Saltus which have decayed to stable, non-radioactive\nheavy metals\"\n\nAre these Lupinology world truisms or the foibles of this one person?\n\nRegarding radiation hazard warning signs, I have seen mention of them in the\npast but I didn't know it was accepted dogma as explanation for the teratoid\nsymbols which seem to mark Father Inire's areas. Worth addressing.\n\nI think the interpretation is a mistake, though understandable. Radiation\nsources are often referred to as \"teratogenic\" but radiation is only one of\na number of teratogens. The terato prefix means malformed. And its roots\nare from Greek for monster (or portent).\n\nI suspect Wolfe intended that interpretation for Father Inire.\n\n-bsharp\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060727155156.9997.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Macronaut", "address": "macronaut at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-07-27T15:51:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "B wrote:\nRegarding radiation hazard warning signs, I have\nseen mention of them in the \npast but I didn't know it was accepted dogma as\nexplanation for the teratoid \nsymbols which seem to mark Father Inire's areas. \nWorth addressing.\n\nI think the interpretation is a mistake, though\nunderstandable. Radiation \nsources are often referred to as \"teratogenic\" but\nradiation is only one of \na number of teratogens. The terato prefix means\nmalformed. And its roots \nare from Greek for monster (or portent)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nI had a different interpretation -- that the teratoid\nsymbol, which as I recall appears on the mirror\ncabinet of the presence chamber, was a chinese\ncharacter. Some of the more complex, squiggly Chinese\ncharacters can look monstrous, and this interpretation\nfits with the other indications that mankind spoke\nChinese during its space/time faring heyday (Kim Lee\nSoong, Jonas speaking in a \"garbling sing song\" etc.).\n Stretching a bit, it also fits with the connotation\nof teratoid as portentious and malformed: portentious\nbecause the mirrors seem to reach across time as well\nas space, and malformed because they evoke a past\nwhere mankind's domination corrupted him. I think the\nteratoid as chinese character has been suggested\nbefore.\n\nA radiation warning seems to me to make little sense,\ngiven we know that Inire and Domnina stand in the\nchamber while it's active, and that Jonas, who is\nreasonably frail despite his cyborg body, used the\nchamber to travel without any special protections\nagainst radiation. \n\nMacronaut" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Crossley", "address": "ishmael at drizzle.com" }, "date": "2006-07-27T16:04:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": "<20060727155156.9997.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sort of off the point, but isn't \"Kim Lee Soong\" a transliteration of a\nKorean name, not a Chinese one?\n\nJames" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/27/06 8:51 AM, \"Macronaut\" wrote:\nB wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Regarding radiation hazard warning signs, I have\nseen mention of them in the\npast but I didn't know it was accepted dogma as\nexplanation for the teratoid\nsymbols which seem to mark Father Inire's areas.\nWorth addressing.\n\nI think the interpretation is a mistake, though\nunderstandable. Radiation\nsources are often referred to as \"teratogenic\" but\nradiation is only one of\na number of teratogens. The terato prefix means\nmalformed. And its roots\nare from Greek for monster (or portent)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I had a different interpretation -- that the teratoid\nsymbol, which as I recall appears on the mirror\ncabinet of the presence chamber, was a chinese\ncharacter. Some of the more complex, squiggly Chinese\ncharacters can look monstrous, and this interpretation\nfits with the other indications that mankind spoke\nChinese during its space/time faring heyday (Kim Lee\nSoong, Jonas speaking in a \"garbling sing song\" etc.).\nStretching a bit, it also fits with the connotation\nof teratoid as portentious and malformed: portentious\nbecause the mirrors seem to reach across time as well\nas space, and malformed because they evoke a past\nwhere mankind's domination corrupted him. I think the\nteratoid as chinese character has been suggested\nbefore.\n\nA radiation warning seems to me to make little sense,\ngiven we know that Inire and Domnina stand in the\nchamber while it's active, and that Jonas, who is\nreasonably frail despite his cyborg body, used the\nchamber to travel without any special protections\nagainst radiation.\n\nMacronaut\n\n__________________________________________________\nDo You Yahoo!?\nTired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around\nhttp://mail.yahoo.com\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk" }, "date": "2006-07-27T17:25:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": "<20060727155156.9997.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Macronaut writes: " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "B wrote:\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Regarding radiation hazard warning signs," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " \nI had a different interpretation -- that the teratoid\nsymbol, which as I recall appears on the mirror\ncabinet of the presence chamber, was a chinese\ncharacter. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \n\n\nOr perhaps it was the Yellow Sign ??? \n\n \n\n \n\n \n\nhttp://www.thenightland.co.uk \n\n01273-488272 / 0777-214-9545 " } ] }, { "message_id": "<1492C365-917D-4771-A2CE-BDA3418E17EF@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Transentient", "address": "transentient at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-07-27T18:23:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": "<20060727155156.9997.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jul 27, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Macronaut wrote:\nB wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Regarding radiation hazard warning signs, I have\nseen mention of them in the\npast but I didn't know it was accepted dogma as\nexplanation for the teratoid\nsymbols which seem to mark Father Inire's areas.\nWorth addressing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I had a different interpretation -- that the teratoid\nsymbol, which as I recall appears on the mirror\ncabinet of the presence chamber, was a chinese\ncharacter." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I just wanted to chime in that when I first encountered these \nsymbols, I looked up _teratoid_ in a dictionary, and since the \ndefinition I found was simple \"abnormally formed\" I took a very \nsimple interpretation. I imagined it was something like a wavy, \ndistorted stick-figure of a human, something like a \"CAUTION: \nSPACETIME DEFORMITIES AHEAD\" sign." } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060727200951.32511.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Macronaut", "address": "macronaut at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-07-27T20:09:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Sort of off the point, but isn't \"Kim Lee Soong\" a\ntransliteration of a\nKorean name, not a Chinese one?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Actually an excellent point. I don't know how it\naffects my theory: on the one hand, Hangul is a lot\nsimpler visually than Chinese, and can't be said to\nlook \"monstrous\" the way Chinese can. OTOH, we're\ntalking about an asian civilization thousands of years\nforward -- who knows how their writing (if it's meant\nto be theirs) has evolved?\n\nMacronaut" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060727201144.99521.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Macronaut", "address": "macronaut at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-07-27T20:11:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Or perhaps it was the Yellow Sign ??? " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Or the Elder Sign? Someone to compile all the\nLovecraftian elements in TBOTNS (or has it been done\nalready?).\n\nMacronaut" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44C994F7.2030205@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2006-07-28T04:39:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": "<20060727155156.9997.qmail@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Macronaut wrote:\nA radiation warning seems to me to make little sense,\ngiven we know that Inire and Domnina stand in the\nchamber while it's active, and that Jonas, who is\nreasonably frail despite his cyborg body, used the\nchamber to travel without any special protections\nagainst radiation. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't recall Domnina entering the chamber; wasn't she just in a \nmirrored hallway?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060728143407.41583.qmail@web51114.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Macronaut", "address": "macronaut at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-07-28T14:34:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) teratoid symbols", "in_reply_to": "<44C994F7.2030205@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I don't recall Domnina entering the chamber; wasn't\nshe just in a \nmirrored hallway?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "At first, yes, with Thecla -- but later Domnina meets\nalone with Inire in his presence chamber, where he\nshows her the \"fish.\"\n\nMacronaut " } ] } ] }