{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4683", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4683, "subject": "new history of the Peloponnesian War", "messages": 6, "voices": 4, "first": "2006-08-08T15:18:58+00:00", "last": "2006-08-09T13:55:54+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<000a01c6bafd$f8797740$0afa06cf@rw9s6no3t0dhzd>", "from": { "name": "Russell Wodell", "address": "wrustle at telus.net" }, "date": "2006-08-08T15:18:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) new history of the Peloponnesian War", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This might be helpful for those (like me) still struggling to understand the historical background of the Latro series.\n\nhttp://www.claremont.org/writings/crb/summer2006/kopff.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4827CD39-8695-40D9-ADE3-BCE57D88C8B1@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-08-08T16:07:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) new history of the Peloponnesian War", "in_reply_to": "<000a01c6bafd$f8797740$0afa06cf@rw9s6no3t0dhzd>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The author of this review (Victor Davis Hanson) wrote a chapter about \nthe naval battle of Salamis in his book Carnage and Culture. \nSalamis is the name \"translated\" by Latro as meaning Peace.\n\nI had read Carnage and Culture shortly before I discovered Wolfe, and \nI was thrilled when I recognized what Latro was writing about.\n\nAnother great resource for historical background is the Teaching \nCompany's audio lectures on Herodotos." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Aug 8, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Russell Wodell wrote:\nThis might be helpful for those (like me) still struggling to \nunderstand the historical background of the Latro series.\n\nhttp://www.claremont.org/writings/crb/summer2006/kopff.html\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-08-08T16:10:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) new history of the Peloponnesian War", "in_reply_to": "<4827CD39-8695-40D9-ADE3-BCE57D88C8B1@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I misread that web page. Hanson is the author of the book in \nquestion, which means I'm about to go buy it right now.\n\nThe Peloponnesian war, I should note, takes place well after the \nevents in the Soldier books, and involves the Spartans and their \nallies against the Athenians and their allies." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Aug 8, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Matthew King wrote:\nThe author of this review (Victor Davis Hanson) wrote a chapter..." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris", "address": "rasputin_ at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2006-08-08T19:27:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) new history of the Peloponnesian War", "in_reply_to": "<4827CD39-8695-40D9-ADE3-BCE57D88C8B1@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am not familiar with the work, but I would be slightly wary of reading too \nmuch into Latro's story from a modern book about its historical background. \nThis background is, for Wolfe, seen more through the eyes of Herodotus, \nThucydides or Xenophon." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The author of this review (Victor Davis Hanson) wrote a chapter about\nthe naval battle of Salamis in his book Carnage and Culture.\nSalamis is the name \"translated\" by Latro as meaning Peace.\n\nI had read Carnage and Culture shortly before I discovered Wolfe, and\nI was thrilled when I recognized what Latro was writing about.\n\nAnother great resource for historical background is the Teaching\nCompany's audio lectures on Herodotos.\n\nOn Aug 8, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Russell Wodell wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This might be helpful for those (like me) still struggling to\nunderstand the historical background of the Latro series.\n\nhttp://www.claremont.org/writings/crb/summer2006/kopff.html\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C5A7048-97D1-472A-85BE-E32AFF8C880F@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-08-08T21:36:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) new history of the Peloponnesian War", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Aug 8, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Chris wrote:\nI am not familiar with the work, but I would be slightly wary of \nreading too\nmuch into Latro's story from a modern book about its historical \nbackground.\nThis background is, for Wolfe, seen more through the eyes of \nHerodotus,\nThucydides or Xenophon." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The focus of _Carnage and Culture_ is on the nature and development \nof Western military prowess, so the chapter on Salamis is not \ndirectly relevant to _Soldier of the Mist_. As I recall it, Latro \ndoesn't tell us much about the battle of Peace.\n\nKnowing a little about the battle, the strategy of Themistocles, and \nthe appalling human loss on the side of the Persians: I say knowing \nsome of this makes for a richer reading of _Mist_.\n\nRegarding wariness toward modern books: where do you suppose the \nauthors get their historical information about the Persian war if not \nfrom Herodotos, et al. \n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<6.2.3.4.2.20060809145539.0567dba0@mail.btopenworld.com>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar / UKG", "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk" }, "date": "2006-08-09T13:55:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) new history of the Peloponnesian War", "in_reply_to": "<4C5A7048-97D1-472A-85BE-E32AFF8C880F@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 22:36 08/08/2006, Matthew wrote:\nRegarding wariness toward modern books: where do you suppose \nthe authors get their historical information about the Persian war \nif not from Herodotos, et al." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think the point was though that Wolfe relishes and draws on the \noddities and fantasies of Herodotus, which may be dismissed as \nunhistorical by modern scholars. So Herodotus may be in some ways \nmore \"infomative\" when reading Wolfe than a 'but this is what \nactually happened' account.\n\nMo" } ] } ] }