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  "thread": {
    "id": 4715,
    "subject": "Dr Talos",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2006-09-07T10:45:31+00:00",
    "last": "2006-09-08T02:51:29+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<BAY103-F508E9DEAD68FF8A32FB95D7360@phx.gbl>",
      "from": {
        "name": "b sharp",
        "address": "bsharporflat at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2006-09-07T10:45:31+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Dr Talos",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Dan'l writes about Talos:"
        },
        {
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "He has surpassed his maker in some significant ways; this might itself be \nsomething of\na \"theme\" in tBotNS, given the history of the Hiero-foos. But when he \ndeliberately evokes >Frankenstein, I'm forcefully reminded of the most \nchilling line in Shelley's book: \"You are my >creator, but I am your \nmaster. Obey!\""
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          "text": "Ah, so you are thinking the Baldanders-Talos relationship mirrors the \nhumanity-Hierogrammate relationship? That's a pretty insightful thought and \nI don't think I've ever seen it hinted at before.\n\num...Hiero-fools?\n\n-bsharp"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<1f7617370609071840k2c310b53hf2da93fb359c740f@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2006-09-08T01:40:16+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Dr Talos",
      "in_reply_to": "<BAY103-F508E9DEAD68FF8A32FB95D7360@phx.gbl>",
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          "text": "On 9/7/06, b sharp <bsharporflat at hotmail.com> wrote:\nAh, so you are thinking the Baldanders-Talos relationship mirrors the\nhumanity-Hierogrammate relationship?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Actually, no, I hadn't thought of it that way; just the idea of a\nmade thing becoming in some way greater than its maker ...\nthe desire to do which is, itself, pretty much the ur-sin.  But\nTalos and the HieroXs don't _seek_ to surpass their makers;\nit just happens."
        },
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          "text": "um...Hiero-fools?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "No, Hiero-Foos, where \"foo\" is a sort of generic variable\nname from (my generation of) computer science students.\nIf you need two, the second one is either \"bar\" or \"baz,\"\ndepending on whether you went to Berkeley or Stanford 8*)"
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          "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nI've got a piece of braaaaain lodge in me heeead!!!"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<4500DAB1.4070205@io.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeff Wilson",
        "address": "jwilson at io.com"
      },
      "date": "2006-09-08T02:51:29+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) [SPAM]  Dr Talos",
      "in_reply_to": "<BAY103-F508E9DEAD68FF8A32FB95D7360@phx.gbl>",
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          "text": "b sharp wrote:\nDan'l writes about Talos:"
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          "text": "He has surpassed his maker in some significant ways; this might itself be \nsomething of\na \"theme\" in tBotNS, given the history of the Hiero-foos. But when he \ndeliberately evokes >Frankenstein, I'm forcefully reminded of the most \nchilling line in Shelley's book: \"You are my >creator, but I am your \nmaster. Obey!\""
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "Ah, so you are thinking the Baldanders-Talos relationship mirrors the \nhumanity-Hierogrammate relationship? That's a pretty insightful thought and \nI don't think I've ever seen it hinted at before.\n\num...Hiero-fools?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "I believe Dan'l is employing a metasyntactic variable here, rather than \nmaking a typo. The \"higher\" beings are much too manipulative to be \nconsidered holy fools."
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