{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4716", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4716, "subject": "Chapter I", "messages": 5, "voices": 5, "first": "2006-09-07T12:37:50+00:00", "last": "2006-09-08T16:01:11+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Wesley Parsons", "address": "wrp at adorno.com" }, "date": "2006-09-07T12:37:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chapter I", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Severian watches the fight between Vodalus and the volunteers over the\nshoulder of a \"chalcedony angel.\" Chalcedony is typically a lustrous\nwhite quartz. Vodalus lives and two volunteers die.\n\nLater, in Urth of the New Sun, Sev makes love with Apheta, a lustrous\nsilver angel, and the new sun is created. The fight in the graveyard may\nforeshadow the creation of the new sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370609071842t3323a9a2u7947695be135d634@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-09-08T01:42:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chapter I", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 9/7/06, Wesley Parsons wrote:\nThe fight in the graveyard may\nforeshadow the creation of the new sun." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If so, it's a sort of ex post facto foreshadowing (oy, what\na concept); Wolfe almost certainly didn't invent Apheta\nor that particular way of creating a star until Hartwell\nprevailed upon him to write the sequel." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nI've got a piece of braaaaain lodge in me heeead!!!" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20060908113936.5952.qmail@web35908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "stilskin", "address": "acronus at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2006-09-08T11:39:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chapter I", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370609071842t3323a9a2u7947695be135d634@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nIf so, it's a sort of ex post facto foreshadowing\n(oy, what\na concept); Wolfe almost certainly didn't invent\nApheta\nor that particular way of creating a star until\nHartwell\nprevailed upon him to write the sequel." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nAs a writer myself, who's discussed this point with a\nlot of other writers, I can tell you that this sort of\n\"ex post facto foreshadowing\" happens quite often. \nIt's a result of what Steven King calls \"the boys in\nthe basement\" going about their work and producing\nwhat the author needs not only in the current chapter\nor book, but beyond what he or she has consciously\nplanned for the future of the project.\n\nThe wondrous feeling, \"So *that's* what I was up to!\"\nis one of the real delights of writing fiction.\n\nPaul\n\nhttp://www.sff.net/people/stilskin" } ] }, { "message_id": "<6.2.3.4.2.20060908130105.057a8e88@localhost>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar", "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk" }, "date": "2006-09-08T12:05:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chapter I", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370609071842t3323a9a2u7947695be135d634@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 02:42 08/09/2006, Dan'l wrote:\nIf so, it's a sort of ex post facto foreshadowing (oy, what a \nconcept); Wolfe almost certainly didn't invent Apheta or that \nparticular way of creating a star until Hartwell prevailed upon him \nto write the sequel." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I guess this process is the opposite of retconning (retroactively \ncreating / changing historical continuity, as is popular in the \ncomics world). \"Foreconning\" maybe?\n\nMo" } ] }, { "message_id": "<450193C7.6040207@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2006-09-08T16:01:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) [SPAM] Re: Chapter I", "in_reply_to": "<6.2.3.4.2.20060908130105.057a8e88@localhost>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Mo Holkar wrote:\nAt 02:42 08/09/2006, Dan'l wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "If so, it's a sort of ex post facto foreshadowing (oy, what a \nconcept); Wolfe almost certainly didn't invent Apheta or that \nparticular way of creating a star until Hartwell prevailed upon him \nto write the sequel." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I guess this process is the opposite of retconning (retroactively \ncreating / changing historical continuity, as is popular in the \ncomics world). \"Foreconning\" maybe?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"motif\"" } ] } ] }