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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4740, "subject": "urth Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2006-10-20T11:55:49+00:00", "last": "2006-10-24T00:01:40+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<001801c6f43e$afabcf20$6403404a@VALUED664B84C7>", "from": { "name": "Joe Smulkstis", "address": "jismulkstis at nyc.rr.com" }, "date": "2006-10-20T11:55:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) urth Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It may be off topic, but I'm really enjoying the misogyny discussion.\n\nAdam Thornton is exactly right when he points out \"Chivalry *is* biology\".\nThis ethic may have made sense when we needed to increase the number \nof villagers or be eaten by wolves, but with 6.5 billion people in the\nworld and a human-induced mass extinction being the current situation,\nmaximizing our numbers is no longer a desirable outcome.\n\nI'd also like to agree with Hmph when she says:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I'd say the differences between\nmen and women are somewhat (or, depending on which depiction we're\nactually talking about, often even *hugely*) exaggerated. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh, yes. Absolutely. I've met men who love children and women who \ngenuinely can't stand the little bastards. Theodore Sturgeon wrote \na book called \"Venus Plus X\" which touches on this theme.\n\nI think the any differences that may exist are amplified \nby people's desire to see themselves as part of groups \nwith defined roles and behaviors, rather than just another \ndumb human. Aside from childbirth and castration most behaviors\ncan be found somewhere in both men and women.\n\nThank you all for some very interesting discussions.\n\n\"The more I know people, the more I like animals\".\n\nAnyone know who said that?\n\nMuskrat " } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370610201029y108c685yfd04a95637704871@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-10-20T17:29:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) urth Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23", "in_reply_to": "<001801c6f43e$afabcf20$6403404a@VALUED664B84C7>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/20/06, Joe Smulkstis wrote:\nAdam Thornton is exactly right when he points out \"Chivalry *is* biology\".\nThis ethic may have made sense when we needed to increase the\nnumber of villagers or be eaten by wolves, but with 6.5 billion people\nin the world and a human-induced mass extinction being the current\nsituation, maximizing our numbers is no longer a desirable outcome." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nonetheless, to the extent that \"women and children first\" is an\nevolved behavioral tendency ... and I have some anecdotal evidence\n(from, among other things, the '89 Loma Prieta 'quake) that suggests\nto me that it really is ... the fact that we're overpopulated isn't going\nto change that. Each successful gene in the genome has been\nselected over billions of years to maximize its own replication.\n\nFortunately, as brilliant biologist and idiot philosopher Richard\nDawkins has pointed out, we are emphatically not the slaves of\nour genes. We prove that every time we use any form of birth\ncontrol (including voluntary abstinence)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"The more I know people, the more I like animals\"." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It was \"The more I know of men, the more I like my cat.\"\nVoltaire." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nTragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open\nsewer and die.\n - Mel Brooks" } ] }, { "message_id": "<109338620610231701lb3eeb78tafb36df57aff4750@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Thomas Gant", "address": "tom59g at gmail.com" }, "date": "2006-10-24T00:01:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) urth Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370610201029y108c685yfd04a95637704871@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/20/06, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\n\nOn 10/20/06, Joe Smulkstis wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Adam Thornton is exactly right when he points out \"Chivalry *is*\nbiology\".\nThis ethic may have made sense when we needed to increase the\nnumber of villagers or be eaten by wolves, but with 6.5 billion people\nin the world and a human-induced mass extinction being the current\nsituation, maximizing our numbers is no longer a desirable outcome." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Nonetheless, to the extent that \"women and children first\" is an\nevolved behavioral tendency ... and I have some anecdotal evidence\n(from, among other things, the '89 Loma Prieta 'quake) that suggests\nto me that it really is ... the fact that we're overpopulated isn't going\nto change that. Each successful gene in the genome has been\nselected over billions of years to maximize its own replication.\n\nFortunately, as brilliant biologist and idiot philosopher Richard\nDawkins has pointed out, we are emphatically not the slaves of\nour genes. We prove that every time we use any form of birth\ncontrol (including voluntary abstinence)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "\"The more I know people, the more I like animals\"." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It was \"The more I know of men, the more I like my cat.\"\nVoltaire.\n\n--\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nTragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open\nsewer and die.\n - Mel Brooks\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }