{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4787", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4787, "subject": "Book of Gold 1", "messages": 1, "voices": 1, "first": "2007-01-29T18:58:28+00:00", "last": "2007-01-29T18:58:28+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<20070129185828.64998.qmail@web27804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Jonathan Laidlow", "address": "ultan01 at yahoo.co.uk" }, "date": "2007-01-29T18:58:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Book of Gold 1", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks to David DiGiacomo, we now have the first issue of the Book of Gold on Ultan.\n\nwww.ultan.org.uk\n\nThanks David!\n\nAnd on Soldier of Arete. I too must confess that in my recent rereading of the Soldier novels I found the last quarter of Arete to be supremely disappointing, and very difficult to follow. I can only speculate that Wolfe was told at this point that sales didn't warrant his writing a 3rd volume, so he tried to wrap up narrative threads that would have continued in another volume.\n\nBut don't worry - Sidon doesn't really require comprehension of the ending of Arete - it makes very little reference to the earlier novels.\n\nJ\n\n----- Original Message ----\nFrom: \"urth-request at lists.urth.net\" \nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSent: Wednesday, 24 January, 2007 9:03:56 AM\nSubject: urth Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8\n\nSend urth mailing list submissions to\n urth at lists.urth.net\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\n http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\n urth-request at lists.urth.net\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\n urth-owner at lists.urth.net\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of urth digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n 1. Re: Pas's gammadion and the voided cross (aramini1 at cox.net)\n 2. Re: Pas's gammadion and the voided cross (brunians at brunians.org)\n 3. Re: Pas's gammadion and the voided cross (brunians at brunians.org)\n 4. Re: Pas's gammadion and the voided cross (Matthew King)\n 5. Re: Pas's gammadion and the voided cross (Jon Capps)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:30:11 -0800\nFrom: \nSubject: Re: (urth) Pas's gammadion and the voided cross\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID: <473581.1169451011010.JavaMail.root at fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8\n\n\n\nI do agree with the old idea that the voided cross has been voided by taking away the crucifixion imagery and the body of christ from it and assimilating it into Typhon's family totem, representationally. However, the gammadions could very well bisect a point that would resemble a slash through the cross. Uggh.\n\nMarc Aramini\n---- Matthew King wrote: \n\nOn Jan 21, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Chris Mulder wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Well, the more I read, the less of a firm idea I have of what it \nlooks like. I guess the sign of addition is a plus-type cross, but \na voided cross? what does it mean to void a cross? Like a null sign \nthrough a cross? or like the four 90 degree angles of a maltese \ncross? A photo would be most illuminating." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " Some of the interesting posts on this topic in the archive:\n\nReferencing a Wolfe Q&A session:\nhttp://www.urth.net/whorl/archives/v0007/0528.shtml\n\nThe full Q&A post, since I have trouble finding it when I want it:\nhttp://www.urth.net/whorl/archives/v0007/0511.shtml\n\nOlder:\n\nhttp://www.urth.net/whorl/archives/v0002/0059.shtml\n\nhttp://www.urth.net/whorl/archives/v0002/0063.shtml\n\nhttp://www.urth.net/whorl/archives/v0005/0312.shtml\n\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:16:29 -0500 (EST)\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nSubject: Re: (urth) Pas's gammadion and the voided cross\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nMessage-ID: <11917.67.142.130.30.1169457389.squirrel at brunians.org>\nContent-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1\n\nEnough.\n\n\nhttp://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gammadion&btnG=Search+Images\n\n\n\n.\n\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 3\nDate: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:19:39 -0500 (EST)\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nSubject: Re: (urth) Pas's gammadion and the voided cross\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nMessage-ID: <6084.67.142.130.30.1169457579.squirrel at brunians.org>\nContent-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1\n\n\n\n\nEnough.\n\n\nhttp://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gammadion&btnG=Search+Images\n\nI should add: top row, second from the left.\n\n\n\n\n.\n\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 4\nDate: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:23:00 -0700\nFrom: Matthew King \nSubject: Re: (urth) Pas's gammadion and the voided cross\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID: <00E76A0F-63D7-4D8F-8AF6-C0D65294A5CE at gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed\n\nOn Jan 22, 2007, at 2:19 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Enough.\n\nhttp://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gammadion&btnG=Search+Images" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I should add: top row, second from the left.\n\nThat does seem to be what Wolfe described in the Q&A. If a gamma can \nbe considered to have _a_ point, then I take that to be the right angle.\n\nMatthew\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 5\nDate: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:45:29 -0500\nFrom: Jon Capps \nSubject: Re: (urth) Pas's gammadion and the voided cross\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID: <45B53079.1070205 at joncapps.net>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed\n\naramini1 at cox.net wrote:\n\nHowever, the gammadions could very well bisect a point that would resemble a slash through the cross. Uggh.\n\nI seriously doubt Wolfe intended the voided cross to be interpreted as \none with a slash through it. See:\n\nhttp://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/voided.html\n\nwhich says: [The Voided Cross] is simply a heraldic term for when only \nthe edge of the cross is traced. It can be any shape or form of cross.\n\nSo, a voided cross is just the outline of a cross, which can be \napproximated quite closely with four gammas.\n\njon\n\n\n------------------------------" } ] } ] }