{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4794", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4794, "subject": "Pirate Freedom: first glimpse", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2007-03-01T09:55:29+00:00", "last": "2007-03-03T07:27:25+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<547653.18800.qm@web32106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Nicholas Gevers", "address": "vermoulian at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-03-01T09:55:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Pirate Freedom: first glimpse", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "My Advance Bound Manuscript of PIRATE FREEDOM just\narrived. In an odd squarish format, typescript, 473\npages, which I estimate at 300 or so regular printed\npages. Dedication to sundry pirates and writers on\npiracy; epigraph by H L Mencken. Glossary at the end\nhas the usual personal and place names. \n\nThe protagonist is Chris, later Father Christopher.\n\n--Nick Gevers.\n\n\n\t\t" } ] }, { "message_id": "<45E753B2.5050403@majitek.com>", "from": { "name": "Steve Taylor", "address": "steve.taylor at majitek.com" }, "date": "2007-03-01T22:29:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Pirate Freedom: first glimpse", "in_reply_to": "<547653.18800.qm@web32106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Nicholas Gevers wrote:\nepigraph by H L Mencken." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That's nice to see - Mencken, Orwell and Dorothy Parker have always \nformed a sort of holy trinity for me.\n\nSomehow I can't see Wolfe using an epigraph by Dorothy Parker though.\n\n\n\n Steve" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew DeLuca", "address": "deluca22 at tcnj.edu" }, "date": "2007-03-02T22:02:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) 9 Ways to Read GW by Neil Gaiman", "in_reply_to": "<45E753B2.5050403@majitek.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " How to read Gene Wolfe:\n\n1) Trust the text implicitly. The answers are in there.\n\n2) Do not trust the text farther than you can throw it, if that far. \nIt's tricksy and desperate stuff, and it may go off in your hand at \nany time.\n\n3) Reread. It's better the second time. It will be even better the \nthird time. And anyway, the books will subtly reshape themselves \nwhile you are away from them.Peace really was a gentle Midwestern \nmemoir the first time I read it. It only became a horror novel on the \nsecond or the third reading.\n\n4) There are wolves in there, prowling behind the words. Sometimes \nthey come out in the pages. Sometimes they wait until you close the \nbook. The musky wolf-smell can sometimes be masked by the aromatic \nscent of rosemary. Understand, these are not today-wolves, slinking \ngrayly in packs through deserted places. These are the dire-wolves of \nold, huge and solitary wolves that could stand their ground against \ngrizzlies.\n\n5) Reading Gene Wolfe is dangerous work. It's a knife-throwing act, \nand like all good knife-throwing acts, you may lose fingers, toes, \nearlobes or eyes in the process. Gene doesn't mind. Gene is throwing \nthe knives.\n\n6) Make yourself comfortable. Pour a pot of tea. Hang up a DO NOT \nDISTURB Sign. Start at Page One.\n\n7) There are two kinds of clever writer. The ones that point out how \nclever they are, and the ones who see no need to point out how clever \nthey are. Gene Wolfe is of the second kind, and the intelligence is \nless important than the tale. He is not smart to make you feel \nstupid. He is smart to make you smart as well.\n\n8) He was there. He saw it happen. He knows whose reflection they saw \nin the mirror that night.\n\n9) Be willing to learn.\n\n- Neil Gaiman\n\nhttp://www.sfsite.com/fsf/2007/gwng0704.htm" } ] }, { "message_id": "<14f560d30703022327n5c50e7fev7459e022bd97dcff@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark.lewin at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-03-03T07:27:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) 9 Ways to Read GW by Neil Gaiman", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "... and here are two other authors' suggestions on how to read GW from the\nsame magazine (Fantasy & SF):\n\nMichael Swanwick: http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/2007/gwms0704.htm\n\nMichael Andre-Driussi: http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/2007/gwma0704.htm\n\nMark" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 02/03/07, Matthew DeLuca wrote:\n\n How to read Gene Wolfe:\n\n1) Trust the text implicitly. The answers are in there.\n\n2) Do not trust the text farther than you can throw it, if that far.\nIt's tricksy and desperate stuff, and it may go off in your hand at\nany time.\n\n3) Reread. It's better the second time. It will be even better the\nthird time. And anyway, the books will subtly reshape themselves\nwhile you are away from them.Peace really was a gentle Midwestern\nmemoir the first time I read it. It only became a horror novel on the\nsecond or the third reading.\n\n4) There are wolves in there, prowling behind the words. Sometimes\nthey come out in the pages. Sometimes they wait until you close the\nbook. The musky wolf-smell can sometimes be masked by the aromatic\nscent of rosemary. Understand, these are not today-wolves, slinking\ngrayly in packs through deserted places. These are the dire-wolves of\nold, huge and solitary wolves that could stand their ground against\ngrizzlies.\n\n5) Reading Gene Wolfe is dangerous work. It's a knife-throwing act,\nand like all good knife-throwing acts, you may lose fingers, toes,\nearlobes or eyes in the process. Gene doesn't mind. Gene is throwing\nthe knives.\n\n6) Make yourself comfortable. Pour a pot of tea. Hang up a DO NOT\nDISTURB Sign. Start at Page One.\n\n7) There are two kinds of clever writer. The ones that point out how\nclever they are, and the ones who see no need to point out how clever\nthey are. Gene Wolfe is of the second kind, and the intelligence is\nless important than the tale. He is not smart to make you feel\nstupid. He is smart to make you smart as well.\n\n8) He was there. He saw it happen. He knows whose reflection they saw\nin the mirror that night.\n\n9) Be willing to learn.\n\n- Neil Gaiman\n\nhttp://www.sfsite.com/fsf/2007/gwng0704.htm\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }