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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4812, "subject": "The Soundtrack", "messages": 43, "voices": 23, "first": "2007-04-09T23:14:28+00:00", "last": "2007-04-24T02:37:08+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<14f560d30704091614j5ae36346m1fd0bf98ce82935@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark.lewin at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:14:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I doubt if if anyone on this list disagrees with me that none of GW's books\nwould make a good film.\n\nWhat ... you do? Which one?\n\nAnd if you don't (or even if you do) what would make a good soundtrack?\nWhich film? Which track?\n\nAnd ... in the absence of any films, what do you like to listen to when you\nread GW?\n\nMe:\n\nNecromancer by Rush.\nAnything by Godspeed You Black Emporer!\nGrendel by Marillion\n\nWhat about you?\n\nM" } ] }, { "message_id": "<226201c77afd$16fe7584$a120a8c0@4smartphone.snx>", "from": { "name": "Matthew DeLuca", "address": "straylightrise at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:16:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091614j5ae36346m1fd0bf98ce82935@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "WizardKnight could be a decent movie.\nAnd some of his short stories could be turned into some decent films. Even the Latro books could be good\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: \"Mark Lewin\" \nTo: \"urth at lists.urth.net\" \nSent: 4/9/2007 7:14 PM\nSubject: (urth) The Soundtrack\n\nI doubt if if anyone on this list disagrees with me that none of GW's books\nwould make a good film.\n\nWhat ... you do? Which one?\n\nAnd if you don't (or even if you do) what would make a good soundtrack?\nWhich film? Which track?\n\nAnd ... in the absence of any films, what do you like to listen to when you\nread GW?\n\nMe:\n\nNecromancer by Rush.\nAnything by Godspeed You Black Emporer!\nGrendel by Marillion\n\nWhat about you?\n\nM" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20070409231916.TCKL16559.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>", "from": { "name": "James B. Jordan", "address": "jbjordan4 at cox.net" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:19:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091614j5ae36346m1fd0bf98ce82935@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 06:14 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:\nAnd ... in the absence of any films, what do you like to listen to \nwhen you read GW?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The symphonies of Allan Pettersson.\n\nNutria\n\n\n\nJames B. Jordan\nDirector, Biblical Horizons\nBox 1096\nNiceville, FL 32588\nhttp://www.biblicalhorizons.com " } ] }, { "message_id": "<14f560d30704091621n7edc0c8eodb5537207a50444c@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark.lewin at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:21:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<20070409231916.TCKL16559.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Interesting .. the Swedish guy? I think I heard something wonderful from\nhim once, but I'd have to check my sources.\n\nAnyone else?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/04/07, James B. Jordan wrote:\n\n At 06:14 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:\n\nAnd ... in the absence of any films, what do you like to listen to when\nyou read GW?\n\n\nThe symphonies of Allan Pettersson.\n\nNutria\n\n\n James B. Jordan\nDirector, Biblical Horizons\nBox 1096\nNiceville, FL 32588\n http://www.biblicalhorizons.com\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<750525.4756.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Recursive Loop", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:25:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<226201c77afd$16fe7584$a120a8c0@4smartphone.snx>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\nWizard-Knight would work. Latro would work. Urth, etc., maybe not.\n\nAs for music...\n\nHoward Shore, Hans Zimmer and a few other composers that mostly work in film would be good. \n\nWhat do I listen to when I read Wolfe? It depends. Steve Roach. Robert Rich. Tangerine Dream. Many\nothers.\n\nI have a bigger \"soundtrack\" when I read my main obsession (Patrick O'Brian).\n\nFred Kiesche\n\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<229001c77afe$71b08f32$a120a8c0@4smartphone.snx>", "from": { "name": "Matthew DeLuca", "address": "straylightrise at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:26:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<750525.4756.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Explosions in the sky\nMogwai\nSigur Ros\nDredg\nDreamtheater\n\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: \"Mark Lewin\" \nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nSent: 4/9/2007 7:21 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) The Soundtrack\n\nInteresting .. the Swedish guy? I think I heard something wonderful from\nhim once, but I'd have to check my sources.\n\nAnyone else?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/04/07, James B. Jordan wrote:\n\n At 06:14 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:\n\nAnd ... in the absence of any films, what do you like to listen to when\nyou read GW?\n\n\nThe symphonies of Allan Pettersson.\n\nNutria\n\n\n James B. Jordan\nDirector, Biblical Horizons\nBox 1096\nNiceville, FL 32588\n http://www.biblicalhorizons.com\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<14f560d30704091628j67d95525k71d158f728cc75c5@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark.lewin at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:28:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<750525.4756.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Are we getting too off-list if I ask you what you listen to when you read\nPOB?\n\nGetting back on-list: is there any overlap between what you listen to\nreading POB and GW?\n\nM" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/04/07, Recursive Loop wrote:\n\nGreetings:\n\nWizard-Knight would work. Latro would work. Urth, etc., maybe not.\n\nAs for music...\n\nHoward Shore, Hans Zimmer and a few other composers that mostly work in\nfilm would be good.\n\nWhat do I listen to when I read Wolfe? It depends. Steve Roach. Robert\nRich. Tangerine Dream. Many\nothers.\n\nI have a bigger \"soundtrack\" when I read my main obsession (Patrick\nO'Brian).\n\nFred Kiesche\n\n\n\n\n\n____________________________________________________________________________________\nIt's here! Your new message!\nGet new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.\nhttp://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<14f560d30704091630v78a5b168jadd1d13d5c5d08a4@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark.lewin at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:30:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<750525.4756.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That's quite a selection. And I can see the merit in all those artists.\n\nAre they all artists you would listen to anyway? Any specific to GW?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/04/07, Recursive Loop wrote:\n\n\n\nHoward Shore, Hans Zimmer and a few other composers that mostly work in\nfilm would be good.\n\nWhat do I listen to when I read Wolfe? It depends. Steve Roach. Robert\nRich. Tangerine Dream.\n\n\n\n\n____________________________________________________________________________________\nIt's here! Your new message!\nGet new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.\nhttp://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370704091632nb6071e4lba49373bf8f2851d@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:32:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091614j5ae36346m1fd0bf98ce82935@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "H'mmm. I don't generally listen to music while reading, and especially while\nreading something (like Wolfe) that deserves my full attention.\n\nBut soundtrack music for a film/series of films? H'mm:\n\nOperation Ares -- Bernhard Herrmann\nThe Fifth Head of Cerberus -- Godspeed You! Black Emperor\nThe Devil in a Forest -- Danny Elfman\nThe Book o'the New Sun -- *Definitely* Bernhard Herrmann\nThe Soldier books -- H'mm, that's hard. Maybe someone like John Cage\nor George Crumb.\nCastleview -- Mark Knopfler, in \"Local Hero\" mode.\nPandora, by Holly Hollander -- Kate Bush\nThe Books of the Long/Short Sun -- Ennio Morricone\nThe Wizard Knight -- Blackmore's Night (or Enya at a long shot)\n\"The Island of Doctor Death\" and Other Stories -- John Williams (think about it)\nThe Death of Doctor Island -- Peter Gabriel\n\nThat should be enough, no?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nSoon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations,\ninexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food. Tire\nsalons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards\nreaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370704091633h7abed11m37121ca5fa8d3975@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-09T23:33:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<229001c77afe$71b08f32$a120a8c0@4smartphone.snx>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sigur Ros is a *great* choice. But Dream Theater? Wolfe so does *not*\ngo with metal..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/9/07, Matthew DeLuca wrote:\nExplosions in the sky\nMogwai\nSigur Ros\nDredg\nDreamtheater\n\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: \"Mark Lewin\" \nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nSent: 4/9/2007 7:21 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) The Soundtrack\n\nInteresting .. the Swedish guy? I think I heard something wonderful from\nhim once, but I'd have to check my sources.\n\nAnyone else?\n\nOn 10/04/07, James B. Jordan wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " At 06:14 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:\n\nAnd ... in the absence of any films, what do you like to listen to when\nyou read GW?\n\n\nThe symphonies of Allan Pettersson.\n\nNutria\n\n\n James B. Jordan\nDirector, Biblical Horizons\nBox 1096\nNiceville, FL 32588\n http://www.biblicalhorizons.com\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<14f560d30704091717l2a35725aw66d269eaf2483a11@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark.lewin at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T00:17:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370704091633h7abed11m37121ca5fa8d3975@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks guys - an awesome response.\n\nDan'l came up with some excellent music - but I'm not sure I would have\nagreed with any of those as a background to GW.\n\nWhy? I don't know. Like Dan'l said: reading GW demands one's full\nattention.\n\nBut, there are certain tracks I *can* listen to and still give the lupine\none 100%.\n\nMaybe because I've heard them so often I can almost 'switch off'?\n\nDunno.\n\nMaybe I should have been a bit more specific. What - if anything - was\ngoing through your head towards the end of the book \"Urth of the New Sun\" ?\n\nFor me: \"East Hastings, by Godspeed You Black Emporer\"\n\nThere are no *right* answers people.... so please chip in with your personal\nfaves :-)\n\nM\n\nI totall\n\nPS Sigur Ros - You are preaching to the converted!" } ] }, { "message_id": "<14f560d30704091720t332f2e5dp23dd51e0bcfc7b8e@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark.lewin at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T00:20:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091717l2a35725aw66d269eaf2483a11@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh:\n\nDeath of Doctor Island. Definitely, definitely, \"Herod\", by Mogwai.\n\nAnd I did think about John Williams for 'Island of Dr Death'.\n\n:-)\n\nM" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/04/07, Mark Lewin wrote:\n\nThanks guys - an awesome response.\n\nDan'l came up with some excellent music - but I'm not sure I would have\nagreed with any of those as a background to GW.\n\nWhy? I don't know. Like Dan'l said: reading GW demands one's full\nattention.\n\nBut, there are certain tracks I *can* listen to and still give the lupine\none 100%.\n\nMaybe because I've heard them so often I can almost 'switch off'?\n\nDunno.\n\nMaybe I should have been a bit more specific. What - if anything - was\ngoing through your head towards the end of the book \"Urth of the New Sun\" ?\n\nFor me: \"East Hastings, by Godspeed You Black Emporer\"\n\nThere are no *right* answers people.... so please chip in with your\npersonal faves :-)\n\nM\n\nI totall\n\nPS Sigur Ros - You are preaching to the converted!" } ] }, { "message_id": "<597436.7807.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Recursive Loop", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T00:27:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091628j67d95525k71d158f728cc75c5@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\n\"Are we getting too off-list if I ask you what you listen to when you read POB?\"\n\nMy jumping off point was a combination of the soundtrack to the fillum (Master & Commander: The\nFar Side of the World), plus a couple of albums with titles like \"Music in the Captain's Cabin\".\nToss in a couple of vocal albums of traditional sea songs (\"Spanish Ladies\"). From there, add\nVivaldi, Mozart, Boccherini, anybody else from the period. Keep the pieces centered around duets,\ntrios, quartets, quintets and the like. Shake well and stir.\n\n\"Getting back on-list: is there any overlap between what you listen to reading POB and GW?\"\n\nNot really. To get into the mood for something like Latro I might listen to music that is inspired\nby the Ancient World. For example, \"The Pines of Rome\" or \"The Fountains of Rome\" or maybe\n\"Ancient Airs and Dances\". But as other posters have pointed out, Wolfe requires a differently\nengaged reader than O'Brian. So I more tend not to listen to music with an author like Wolfe.\n\nFred Kiesche\n\n\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<370575.45676.qm@web63906.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Recursive Loop", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T00:32:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091630v78a5b168jadd1d13d5c5d08a4@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\n\"That's quite a selection. And I can see the merit in all those artists.\n\n\"Are they all artists you would listen to anyway? Any specific to GW?\"\n\nThey are all folks I listen to anyway. I've been listening to Tangerine Dream since 1976 or\nthereabouts. Rich, Roach, etc., all grew out of those interests.\n\nZimmer ,Shore and others grew out of watching movies. Every now and again I find a soundtrack that\nwill work for me without the movie. With Zimmer it was his soundtrack to \"Blackhawk Down\". With\nShore it was his work for the \"Lord of the Rings\" movies.\n\nSo I guess Shore would be about as \"specific to GW\" as I could get, given Wolfe's love of the\nTrilogy.\n\nThinking on it, I probably listen to music less with Wolfe than some other authors.\n\nAnd the one soundtrack that I totally have cut out is television. I cannot read and have a\ntelevision in the room. If my wife or daughter watches something, I leave the room. It irks my\nwife, somewhat, but I tell her I need less intrusive noise when I am reading!\n\nFred Kiesche\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<964385.66124.qm@web63911.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Recursive Loop", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T00:44:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091720t332f2e5dp23dd51e0bcfc7b8e@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\nFor me, it sometimes takes a long time to find music that fits a particular author, or a\nparticular action. Sometimes it happens by accident and is so perfect it is scary.\n\nIn particular I think of Steve Roach's album \"The Magnificent Void\". I put a bunch of his stuff on\nmini-discs (remember those?) and brought them observing with my telescope once.\n\nWhat an experience. I thought I was falling into the telescope and merging with the globular\nclusters that I was observing. I've rarely experienced such intensity when listening to music.\n\nSome music (e.g., King Crimson, Dire Straits) have become \"road music\" for me. My parent's live\nabout four hours away, and with my father's rapidly declining health I'm on the road to visit a\nlot. I either listen to a Patrick O'Brian book on CD or play \"Brothers in Arms\" (Dire Straits),\nvarious King Crimson albums, Yes, etc.\n\n(Folks like Roach and Rich and a few others are dangerous on the road. They can lead to\nself-hypnosis, especially in wild weather, heavy snow and the like!)\n\nFred Kiesche\n\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<14f560d30704091828n6c5e07c3lbe281f08c9d7c184@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark.lewin at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T01:28:20+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<964385.66124.qm@web63911.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "So very, very, interesting.\n\nI've always looked back upon various moments of my life and had the\nsoundtrack to match. All my favourite books have been accompanied by a\nsoundtrack, of sorts.\n\nBut I'm a latecomer to GW. (At the venerable age of 37.)\n\nAnd, I'll be honest ... I've never encountered an author who didn't\n*immediately* give themself to some form of musical accompinment .... until\nGW.\n\nI've thought of a few relevant tracks (as aforementioned). But none with\nany conviction. And there are lots of other authors (Vance, Moorcock,\nLeiber, Lovecraft, Ashton-Smith, Avram Davidson, etc) that lend themselves\nvery well to some form of accompaniment.\n\nBut not Wolfe." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/04/07, Recursive Loop wrote:\n\nGreetings:\n\nFor me, it sometimes takes a long time to find music that fits a\nparticular author, or a\nparticular action. Sometimes it happens by accident and is so perfect it\nis scary.\n\nIn particular I think of Steve Roach's album \"The Magnificent Void\". I put\na bunch of his stuff on\nmini-discs (remember those?) and brought them observing with my telescope\nonce.\n\nWhat an experience. I thought I was falling into the telescope and merging\nwith the globular\nclusters that I was observing. I've rarely experienced such intensity when\nlistening to music.\n\nSome music (e.g., King Crimson, Dire Straits) have become \"road music\" for\nme. My parent's live\nabout four hours away, and with my father's rapidly declining health I'm\non the road to visit a\nlot. I either listen to a Patrick O'Brian book on CD or play \"Brothers in\nArms\" (Dire Straits),\nvarious King Crimson albums, Yes, etc.\n\n(Folks like Roach and Rich and a few others are dangerous on the road.\nThey can lead to\nself-hypnosis, especially in wild weather, heavy snow and the like!)\n\nFred Kiesche\n\n\n\n\n\n____________________________________________________________________________________\nLooking for earth-friendly autos?\nBrowse Top Cars by \"Green Rating\" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.\nhttp://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<165570.60608.qm@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Sarah Dorrance-Minch", "address": "isobelwren at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T01:34:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091614j5ae36346m1fd0bf98ce82935@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Mark Lewin wrote: And ... in the absence of any films, what do you like to listen to when you read GW?\n\n \n \n Philip Glass. Gorecki. Michael Nyman. Prokofiev's soundtrack to Alexander Nevsky. Toto's soundtrack to DUNE. Russian Orthodox chants. Tangerine Dream. Dead Can Dance. Peter Gabriel. Diamanda Galas. And when I don't mind a little cognitive dissonance, Kate Bush or the Moody Blues. When I don't mind a lot of cognitive dissonance, The Beach Boys, Michael Longcor, or Steeleye Span. \n \n \n\n\nSarah Dorrance-Minch\n(in SCA, THL Isobel Wren, called \"Midori\")\n\nMother to Sophie (10/28/02), Liesl (5/17/04) and Kassandra (4/1/07) and\nmilitant lactivist dairy queen. I should wear a cowbell. \n\nIn a dark time, the eye begins to see" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20070410013623.CPVI21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>", "from": { "name": "James B. Jordan", "address": "jbjordan4 at cox.net" }, "date": "2007-04-10T01:36:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091828n6c5e07c3lbe281f08c9d7c184@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 08:28 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:\nSo very, very, interesting.\n\nI've always looked back upon various moments of my life and had the \nsoundtrack to match. All my favourite books have been accompanied \nby a soundtrack, of sorts.\n\nBut I'm a latecomer to GW. (At the venerable age of 37.)\n\nAnd, I'll be honest ... I've never encountered an author who didn't \n*immediately* give themself to some form of musical accompinment .... until GW." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "BTW, if you want to get into Pettersson's heavy, dark, brooding, \nmusic, start with Symphony 8 and then go to #9. It's dire music, of \nthe classical sort of course, but very Severianesque. For something \nmore joyous then turn to his 2nd Violin Concerto, which gives you 30 \nminutes of horror followed by 15 minutes of light (Jesus!) conquering horror." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I've thought of a few relevant tracks (as aforementioned). But none \nwith any conviction. And there are lots of other authors (Vance," }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, well, with the glorious Vance you need something classical: \nMozart or Haydn. Not the brooding romanticism Wolfe requires.\n\nOf course, I show my age and prejudice in these \"classical\" recommendations!!\n\nThe Nutricious Nutria\n\n\nJames B. Jordan\nDirector, Biblical Horizons\nBox 1096\nNiceville, FL 32588\nhttp://www.biblicalhorizons.com " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Crossley", "address": "ishmael at drizzle.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T02:04:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091828n6c5e07c3lbe281f08c9d7c184@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/9/07 6:28 PM, \"Mark Lewin\" wrote:\nSo very, very, interesting.\n\nI've always looked back upon various moments of my life and had the soundtrack\nto match. All my favourite books have been accompanied by a soundtrack, of\nsorts.\n\nBut I'm a latecomer to GW. (At the venerable age of 37.)\n\nAnd, I'll be honest ... I've never encountered an author who didn't\n*immediately* give themself to some form of musical accompinment .... until\nGW.\n\nI've thought of a few relevant tracks (as aforementioned). But none with any\nconviction. And there are lots of other authors (Vance, Moorcock, Leiber,\nLovecraft, Ashton-Smith, Avram Davidson, etc) that lend themselves very well\nto some form of accompaniment.\n\nBut not Wolfe." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Which artists provide good accompaniment to Avram Davidson, may I ask?\n\nAnd while I’m going off topic, does anyone on the list know the status of\nEileen Gunn’s Davidson biography? I’ve heard it’s in the works, but I don’t\nknow if that means we can expect it next year or a decade from now.\n\nJames" } ] }, { "message_id": "<14f560d30704091907k1f22e0ean1bdcce3696df1fc8@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark.lewin at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T02:07:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/04/07, James Crossley wrote:\n\n On 4/9/07 6:28 PM, \"Mark Lewin\" wrote:\n\nWhich artists provide good accompaniment to Avram Davidson, may I ask?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No definitive answer, of course.\n\nBut, how about David Tibet ?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Batrinque at aol.com", "address": "batrinque at aol.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T10:20:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091907k1f22e0ean1bdcce3696df1fc8@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In a message dated 4/9/2007 8:33:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, \nrecursive_loop at yahoo.com writes:\n\nThinking on it, I probably listen to music less with Wolfe than some other \nauthors.\nI seldom listen to music when reading. I know I have occasionally listened \nto some period music -- Bach, Corelli, and so forth -- while reading O'Brian, \nbut perhaps more because my tastes run in that direction than to provide a \nrelevant \"soundtrack\". And I think music might be a distraction when reading \nWolfe, who demands more of my attention than any other author of my \nacquaintance. The only recordings that I can think of that might tempt me as Wolfian \nbackground music are the solo piano improvisations of Keith Jarrett, being \nappropriately both solitary and intricate.\n\n\n\nAnd the one soundtrack that I totally have cut out is television. I cannot \nread and have a\ntelevision in the room. If my wife or daughter watches something, I leave \nthe room. It irks my\nwife, somewhat, but I tell her I need less intrusive noise when I am \nreading!\n\n\nI find that I can/do seldom watch TV without a book at hand (although, \nusually something less demanding than Wolfe), the book providing relief from the \ntelevision rather than the TV disrupting my reading.\n \n \nBruce Trinque\nAmston, CT" } ] }, { "message_id": "<200704100755.08668.ddjones@riddlemaster.org>", "from": { "name": "Daniel D Jones", "address": "ddjones at riddlemaster.org" }, "date": "2007-04-10T11:55:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091614j5ae36346m1fd0bf98ce82935@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Monday 09 April 2007 19:14, Mark Lewin wrote:\nI doubt if if anyone on this list disagrees with me that none of GW's books\nwould make a good film.\n\nWhat ... you do? Which one?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That depends a great deal on precisely what you mean when you say \"...a good \nfilm.\" I think most people would agree that TBOTNS wouldn't _translate_ well \nto film. It would be impossible to capture a great deal of what makes that \nseries work in a visual medium. However, that's not at all the same thing as \nsaying that TBOTNS would not make a good film. With the correct choice of \nscreen writer and director, it could make a good film. But the film wouldn't \ntell the same story that Wolfe told in his books. (And, of course, with poor \nchoices as writer and director, it could be made into the most God awful pap \never to grace the silver screen.)\n\nThat being said, I think some of his \"lesser\" works would translate well to \nfilm. I can't think of anything vital in \"Pandora\" which would be lost in \nfilm. Same with \"Devil in a Forest.\"\n\nThe events of the Latro series would probably translate well but I'm not sure \nthat the same sense of Latro's memory loss could be maintained throughout a \nfilm as are present in the prose. Again, they could make a great film but \nI'm not sure that it would tell the same story.\n\n\"Fifth Head\" is a more interesting proposition. It would be tricky to pull \noff, particularly the third book, but I think the right writer and director \ncould make an absolutely amazing trio of films from that series." } ] }, { "message_id": "<20070410120428.2664.qmail@web63915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Recursive Loop", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T12:04:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<200704100755.08668.ddjones@riddlemaster.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\n\"The events of the Latro series would probably translate well but I'm not sure \nthat the same sense of Latro's memory loss could be maintained throughout a \nfilm as are present in the prose. Again, they could make a great film but \nI'm not sure that it would tell the same story.\"\n\nWhen I first heard about \"Memento\", I didn't think it would work. But it turned out to be a darn\ngood film. Using a similar mechanism might work for the memory lapse in the Latro tales.\n\n\n\n(Reference note for those who may have not seen it, here there be spoilers!)\n\nFPK3\n\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Batrinque at aol.com", "address": "batrinque at aol.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T12:07:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<20070410120428.2664.qmail@web63915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nIn a message dated 4/10/2007 8:04:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, \nrecursive_loop at yahoo.com writes:\n\nWhen I first heard about \"Memento\", I didn't think it would work. But it \nturned out to be a darn\ngood film. Using a similar mechanism might work for the memory lapse in the \nLatro tales.\n\n\n\n(Reference note for those who may have not seen it, here there be spoilers!)\n\n\n\n\"Memento\" came to my mind also as an example of a film with a similar \nsituation -- and a well-made film, too.\n \n \nBruce Trinque\nAmston, CT" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "peter heyneman", "address": "pheyneman at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T14:28:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<200704100755.08668.ddjones@riddlemaster.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm rereading the Long Sun now and imagining it as a mini-series for HBO \nwith a quirky soundtrack of Jen-Michel Jarre and Kraftwerk and Coco-Rosie \nand Casiotone for the Painfully Alone and stuff played on electronic toy \ninstruments from the 70s. It relies on narrator/narrative ambiguity less \nthan most other of his series and has some cool fight scenes and a love \nstory. So there.\n\n--Peter" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Daniel D Jones \nReply-To: The Urth Mailing List \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) The Soundtrack\nDate: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:55:08 -0500\n\nOn Monday 09 April 2007 19:14, Mark Lewin wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I doubt if if anyone on this list disagrees with me that none of GW's \nbooks\nwould make a good film.\n\nWhat ... you do? Which one?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "That depends a great deal on precisely what you mean when you say \"...a \ngood\nfilm.\" I think most people would agree that TBOTNS wouldn't _translate_ \nwell\nto film. It would be impossible to capture a great deal of what makes that\nseries work in a visual medium. However, that's not at all the same thing \nas\nsaying that TBOTNS would not make a good film. With the correct choice of\nscreen writer and director, it could make a good film. But the film \nwouldn't\ntell the same story that Wolfe told in his books. (And, of course, with \npoor\nchoices as writer and director, it could be made into the most God awful \npap\never to grace the silver screen.)\n\nThat being said, I think some of his \"lesser\" works would translate well to\nfilm. I can't think of anything vital in \"Pandora\" which would be lost in\nfilm. Same with \"Devil in a Forest.\"\n\nThe events of the Latro series would probably translate well but I'm not \nsure\nthat the same sense of Latro's memory loss could be maintained throughout a\nfilm as are present in the prose. Again, they could make a great film but\nI'm not sure that it would tell the same story.\n\n\"Fifth Head\" is a more interesting proposition. It would be tricky to pull\noff, particularly the third book, but I think the right writer and director\ncould make an absolutely amazing trio of films from that series.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<6E2AF12E-2D70-447C-BBEE-A525DF7F17B5@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T14:55:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Mechanisms for Soldier films (was The Soundtrack)", "in_reply_to": "<20070410120428.2664.qmail@web63915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 10, 2007, at 7:04 AM, Recursive Loop wrote:\nWhen I first heard about \"Memento\", I didn't think it would work. \nBut it turned out to be a darn\ngood film. Using a similar mechanism might work for the memory \nlapse in the Latro tales." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The backwards trick would pose very different problems if used with \nthe Latro stories, but I can imagine it used to great effect with \nsome plot threads.\n\nThe Pharetra story could be effectively handled this way: we see \nLatro with pseudo-Pharetra first. Then we see a red-haired Amazon \ndie, and we find out she was the real Pharetra. The depiction of \nDrakaina's back-transformation into Eurykles would be eerie. Some of \nthe revelations would be just plain fun: this man who has been \naccompanying Latro for a few scenes turns out to be Sisyphus.\n\nFor my part, I would wish to see a different mechanism used, one that \ntells the story in the same general temporal direction as Wolfe.\n\nIt would be very easy to make excessive use of voice-overs, if \nLatro's diary were made a plot device. The scrolls are necessary for \nWolfe to present Latro's story to us, but they are not necessary in \nfilm, and I think they would be a distraction.\n\nWhat if the physician at the beginning of Mist teaches Latro how to \nuse a memory palace instead of giving him a scroll and stylus? The \nentire film could take place in the memory palace (shades of \nProspero's Books). Superego Latro walks the palace, touching objects \nand retrieving memories. Occasionally, new objects appear onscreen, \nbut Latro may or may not touch them. Then in the middle of Sidon, \nOsiris and the gang all show up live in the memory palace with the 4 \n(?) other Latros." } ] }, { "message_id": "<738092.87533.qm@web54406.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Nathan Spears", "address": "spearofsolomon at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T18:30:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There Are Doors could be a great movie - the novel is driven mostly by action and dialogue, rather than atmospheric prose, philosophizing, or textual games. The themes in There Are Doors also translate well to screen - love, loss, longing, beautiful women, etc.\n\nFree Live Free for similar reasons. There are riddles in Free Live Free, but they stem from the narrative rather than the medium.\n\nAs an aside - has anyone ever thought about the possibilities of creating a movie from an excerpt of a novel? For instance, while I was watching the recent Lord of the Rings movies, I found myself wishing that they would have chosen one or two scenes from the book and done them justice, rather than consolidating and reducing quality of the work as a whole to what ended up on film. The Battle of the Pelennor Fields (and it's aftermath), for example, could have been a fine movie in its own right, complete with all the themes from LotR in microcosm. Or a \"chase movie\" with Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas pursuing the orcs that abducted Merry and Pippin, with long takes of the chase the way that Rabbit Proof Fence drew out the journey through the outback.\n\nIn my opinion this would have been preferable - the movie can be a self-contained story in its own right, satisfying people who have not read the books. True fans of the books who know that, unless the story is serialized the way HBO is doing for Martin's A Game of Thrones, it won't be adapted properly, should also be happy to see part of the book filmed \"correctly.\"\n\nAnyway, if this sort of thing were possible I think the Book of the New Sun could provide some fantastic movies. Large portions of the book are already visually dancing in my mind anyway . . .\n\n----- Original Message ----\nFrom: Daniel D Jones \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:55:08 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) The Soundtrack" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Monday 09 April 2007 19:14, Mark Lewin wrote:\nI doubt if if anyone on this list disagrees with me that none of GW's books\nwould make a good film.\n\nWhat ... you do? Which one?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That depends a great deal on precisely what you mean when you say \"...a good \nfilm.\" I think most people would agree that TBOTNS wouldn't _translate_ well \nto film. It would be impossible to capture a great deal of what makes that \nseries work in a visual medium. However, that's not at all the same thing as \nsaying that TBOTNS would not make a good film. With the correct choice of \nscreen writer and director, it could make a good film. But the film wouldn't \ntell the same story that Wolfe told in his books. (And, of course, with poor \nchoices as writer and director, it could be made into the most God awful pap \never to grace the silver screen.)\n\nThat being said, I think some of his \"lesser\" works would translate well to \nfilm. I can't think of anything vital in \"Pandora\" which would be lost in \nfilm. Same with \"Devil in a Forest.\"\n\nThe events of the Latro series would probably translate well but I'm not sure \nthat the same sense of Latro's memory loss could be maintained throughout a \nfilm as are present in the prose. Again, they could make a great film but \nI'm not sure that it would tell the same story.\n\n\"Fifth Head\" is a more interesting proposition. It would be tricky to pull \noff, particularly the third book, but I think the right writer and director \ncould make an absolutely amazing trio of films from that series." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370704101141v7f88c3cesdbedf12f5dcd57ae@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T18:41:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<738092.87533.qm@web54406.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/10/07, Nathan Spears wrote:\nThere Are Doors ... Free Live Free" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I knew I'd missed some!\n\nH'mmm. \"There Are Doors\" wants something kind of alien. Maybe\nMagma could do it.\n\n\"Free Live Free\" is probably the cheerfullest thing WOlfe ever wrote;\nI could see it as a musical with Ashman-Mencken type songs." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nSoon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations,\ninexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food. Tire\nsalons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards\nreaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Craig Christensen", "address": "ruffcorn at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T19:47:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370704101141v7f88c3cesdbedf12f5dcd57ae@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Monday 09 April 2007 19:14, Mark Lewin wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I doubt if if anyone on this list disagrees with me that none of GW's\nbooks\nwould make a good film.\n\nWhat ... you do? Which one?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "'Peace'. I would love to see the audience reaction when they discover it\nis a ghost story. (right?)" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris", "address": "rasputin_ at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T21:52:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<20070410120428.2664.qmail@web63915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree that Memento was one of the first things I thought of. But if you \nused all the same devices, you would basically be making another Memento - \neven if the content of the story were much different (as it certainly is). \nIt would take something very different and original, I think, to make such a \nmovie worth making." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Greetings:\n\n\"The events of the Latro series would probably translate well but I'm not \nsure\nthat the same sense of Latro's memory loss could be maintained throughout a\nfilm as are present in the prose. Again, they could make a great film but\nI'm not sure that it would tell the same story.\"\n\nWhen I first heard about \"Memento\", I didn't think it would work. But it \nturned out to be a darn\ngood film. Using a similar mechanism might work for the memory lapse in the \nLatro tales.\n\n\n\n(Reference note for those who may have not seen it, here there be \nspoilers!)\n\nFPK3\n\n\n\n\n____________________________________________________________________________________\nThe fish are biting.\nGet more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.\nhttp://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<84429676-C90C-4A60-873C-F7A2A6A5FF7C@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2007-04-10T22:21:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 10, 2007, at 4:52 PM, Chris wrote:\nI agree that Memento was one of the first things I thought of. But \nif you\nused all the same devices, you would basically be making another \nMemento -\neven if the content of the story were much different (as it \ncertainly is).\nIt would take something very different and original, I think, to \nmake such a\nmovie worth making." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh no, I can see the pitch now:\n\n\"It's like _300_ meets _Memento_.\"\n\nI just threw up in my mouth.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-11T14:50:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<84429676-C90C-4A60-873C-F7A2A6A5FF7C@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I understand that the hero in the new movie \"The Lookout\" is lacking\nshort-term memory due to an accident.\n\nIt is interesting to me that both Memento and the \"Soldier\" novels\nhave an underlying sub-theme of the skeptical value of written memory:\n\nIn Memento, Leonard has tattoos and documentation as \"evidence\", but\nhe cannot know if the evidence has been tampered with nor can he\nrecheck his methodology by which he came by the evidence.\n\nIn Soldier, Latro has documentation that describes all sorts or\nweirdness going on, but he can't know if he was crazy when he wrote\nit. In fact, he cannot know if he actually wrote it, since he is only\ngoing by the testimony of what people tell him (whom he often does not\nknow from Adam)." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Cliff Judge", "address": "transentient at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-11T16:20:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091614j5ae36346m1fd0bf98ce82935@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/9/07, Mark Lewin wrote:\n\nI doubt if if anyone on this list disagrees with me that none of GW's\nbooks would make a good film.\n\nWhat ... you do? Which one?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I had an enjoyable time casting Free Live Free with smaller-time actors as I\nwas reading it, and I think it is definately a cult classic of a movie yet\nto be made." } ] }, { "message_id": "<685798.34485.qm@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Nathan Spears", "address": "spearofsolomon at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-04-11T16:48:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "----- Original Message ----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: James Wynn \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:50:46 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) The Soundtrack\nI understand that the hero in the new movie \"The Lookout\" is lacking\nshort-term memory due to an accident." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "His memory is affected but it is a different type of damage than Latro's. He lacks the ability to sequence normally, for instance, and also has some disinhibition issues. It's an absorbing movie." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It is interesting to me that both Memento and the \"Soldier\" novels\nhave an underlying sub-theme of the skeptical value of written memory:" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't think anyone would be able to film the Soldier novels without being (unfairly) compared to Memento, if only because so many people were exposed to knowledge of the condition originally through Memento. Add the fact that Memento explored the issues involved pretty thoroughly, and that the movie was so well made, and I think the idea of a Memento with Greek gods would baffle people.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-11T22:34:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<685798.34485.qm@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I think the idea of a Memento with Greek gods would baffle people." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree, especially since the gods in the Greek portion of \"Soldier\"\nare way too obscure for pedestrian movie watchers. Zeus, Athena,\nHermes are nowhere to be found. Demeter and Hecate are major gods but\nare unknown to more than a tiny subset 14-30 year olds. And even when\nthey aren't obscure, they either appear in unfamiliar fashion as Ares\ndoes in \"Arete\" and as Aphrodite does in Corinth in \"Mist\", or without\nany visual identifiers that would help the audience know who he is.\n\nFor example, I can imagine when (is it) Odysseus? comes in to help\nLatro by holding back the fighters, some producer will want a screen\ntag that says:\n\"Odysseus. Hero of the Trojan War and famous explorer of Greek legend.\nHe is long dead by this time.\"\n\nWhen I first read SotM in the 80s, I had only the vaguest knowledge\nabout Dionysus and was totally lost during the Silenus encounter.\n\nIncidentally, Dionysus never actually makes an appearance in that\nscene, does he?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Batrinque at aol.com", "address": "batrinque at aol.com" }, "date": "2007-04-12T00:32:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nIn a message dated 4/11/2007 6:34:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, \ncrushtv at gmail.com writes:\n\nI agree, especially since the gods in the Greek portion of \"Soldier\"\nare way too obscure for pedestrian movie watchers.\n\n\nAre there any published works (or on-line sites) that \"translate\" the names \nof cities, lands, and gods as they appear in \"Soldier in the Mist\"? I am \nreasonably conversant with classical Greece, but I am sure that there were some \nreferences that escaped me. \n\nBruce Trinque\nAmston, CT" } ] }, { "message_id": "<461DDFB0.8020407@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2007-04-12T07:28:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "James Wynn wrote:\nI think the idea of a Memento with Greek gods would baffle people." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I agree, especially since the gods in the Greek portion of \"Soldier\"\nare way too obscure for pedestrian movie watchers. Zeus, Athena,\nHermes are nowhere to be found. Demeter and Hecate are major gods but\nare unknown to more than a tiny subset 14-30 year olds. And even when\nthey aren't obscure, they either appear in unfamiliar fashion as Ares\ndoes in \"Arete\" and as Aphrodite does in Corinth in \"Mist\", or without\nany visual identifiers that would help the audience know who he is.\n\nFor example, I can imagine when (is it) Odysseus? comes in to help\nLatro by holding back the fighters, some producer will want a screen\ntag that says:\n\"Odysseus. Hero of the Trojan War and famous explorer of Greek legend.\nHe is long dead by this time.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This is do-able as in the recent _Alexander_, with a short sequence of \nPhilip showing young Alexander the mystery cave and delivering his \nmaltheistic rant seeded with trivia about the mythic and legendary \nfigures' antiquity.\n\nThis could be economically adapted to the hypothetical Soldier movie by \nopening on a liturgical ceremony of Eurykles' mystery cult being \noverheard by Latro, who is seized as an infidel but is spared when \nEurykles explains his head wound causes him to forget all he witnesses \nand that he finds this sort of \"servant\" useful.\n\nThen during the rest of the film, the more enigmatic divinities and \nspirits are signified by displaying an attribute mentioned during the \nliturgy." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-12T14:39:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Names in the Soldier books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 11, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Batrinque at aol.com wrote:\nIn a message dated 4/11/2007 6:34:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, \ncrushtv at gmail.com writes:\nI agree, especially since the gods in the Greek portion of \"Soldier\"\nare way too obscure for pedestrian movie watchers.\nAre there any published works (or on-line sites) that \"translate\" \nthe names of cities, lands, and gods as they appear in \"Soldier in \nthe Mist\"? I am reasonably conversant with classical Greece, but I \nam sure that there were some references that escaped me." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " From the Urth archives:\n\nhttp://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0029/0212.shtml" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2c58e76b0704120820ndcf06b6rd3ba87347ffb6298@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Four Color", "address": "fourcolorhero at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-12T15:20:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<461DDFB0.8020407@io.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "What I would like from a GW movie would be to think that I'm in one\nstory, but find out that it's really a different story. For example, a\nsetup for \"The Island of Doctor Death\" becoming an epiphany about The\nBook of the New Sun. This, I think, would be in the spirit of much of\nhis work.\n\nWhat two stories do you think would make a good bait-and-switch movie?\n\nRegards,\nTim" } ] }, { "message_id": "<381eca020704121106y5c919ad7lde18a20cdeeb6339@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Martinus Scriblerus", "address": "martinus.scriblerus at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-12T18:06:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Names in the Soldier books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/12/07, Matthew King wrote:\nOn Apr 11, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Batrinque at aol.com wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "In a message dated 4/11/2007 6:34:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,\ncrushtv at gmail.com writes:\nI agree, especially since the gods in the Greek portion of \"Soldier\"\nare way too obscure for pedestrian movie watchers.\nAre there any published works (or on-line sites) that \"translate\"\nthe names of cities, lands, and gods as they appear in \"Soldier in\nthe Mist\"? I am reasonably conversant with classical Greece, but I\nam sure that there were some references that escaped me." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " From the Urth archives:\n\nhttp://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0029/0212.shtml" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks - this will be useful. These are amongst my favourite books by\nGene Wolfe." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Martinus Scriblerus scripsit ex 50? 21' N, 4?41' W" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1518626387.20070419174731@poczta.fm>", "from": { "name": "Stanislaus", "address": "sbocian at poczta.fm" }, "date": "2007-04-19T15:47:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091614j5ae36346m1fd0bf98ce82935@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hello Mark," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 1:14:28 AM, you wrote:\nI doubt if if anyone on this list disagrees with me that none of\nGW's books would make a good film." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "What ... you do? Which one?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Book of the New Sun, of course. The film wouldn't be very similar to the book, however." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Best regards,\n Stanislaus mailto:sbocian at poczta.fm\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nMasz plan? Potrzebujesz motywacji —\nwejdz na >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1a40" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Iorwerth Thomas", "address": "iorweththomas at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2007-04-20T20:30:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<14f560d30704091614j5ae36346m1fd0bf98ce82935@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: \"Mark Lewin\" " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "And if you don't (or even if you do) what would make a good soundtrack?\nWhich film? Which track?\n\nAnd ... in the absence of any films, what do you like to listen to when you\nread GW?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sonic Youth, Radiohead, the Pixies, Eels, the Clash, Queens of the Stone \nAge.\n\nThat's probably a very odd list of things to be listening to while reading \nWolfe, but oh well...\n\n--Iozz" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Tim Walters", "address": "walters at doubtfulpalace.com" }, "date": "2007-04-24T02:37:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Soundtrack", "in_reply_to": "<84429676-C90C-4A60-873C-F7A2A6A5FF7C@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sorry to be responding to this thread so late, but I just got back \nfrom a month's vacation.\n\nI have a couple of Wolfe-related music items in my collection:\n\n1. Turtle Island String Quartet, BY THE FIRESIDE, \"Row, Brothers, Row\":\n\n\"'Row, Brothers, Row' is an old river chant from a million years in \nthe future, inspired by the work of author Gene Wolfe. It's a tribute \nto perseverance in the face of opposition, and unexpected friends.\"\n\n2. Proof Of Utah, IT DOESN'T MATTER MUCH:\n\nThis LP bears the following item on its sleeve:\n\n You know that another week'll\n Take us to the _fin de siecle_\n So why'd we let the movie houses\n Duck out of running Mickey Mouses?\n\n That flash up in the corner means\n Last reals flashing onto screens;\n The news is reeling--needs a crutch\n We say It Doesn't Matter Much,\n But wouldn't mind a Porky Pig\n Now that the fox has played her gig\n\n --Gene Wolfe (Oct. 1985)\n\nI don't know what the story is behind this.\n\nAlso, I've written a couple of Wolfe-inspired tracks myself: \"House \nAbsolute\" and \"War Beneath The Tree.\"" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com" } ] } ] }