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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4827, "subject": "Teaching Wolfe?", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2007-05-08T05:02:35+00:00", "last": "2007-05-08T18:08:39+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<980529.68903.qm@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Craig Brewer", "address": "cnbrewer at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-05-08T05:02:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Teaching Wolfe?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hello to the list!\n\nI recently finished teaching a course on\nmedieval/Renaissance “fantasy,” but I’m revising it\nnow to alternate old texts with new. I was considering\nteaching either Castleview or the Wizard Knight. I\nsuggested both to a couple of “fanboy/girl” students\nwho hadn’t read any Wolfe, and they went over quite\nwell. We had some great discussions on Castleview\ncontra Malory and Able contra just about everything\nduring office hours.\n\nBut I was wondering if anyone has ever taught Wolfe\nbefore. Specifically, I was hoping for any tips on how\nto deal with the all but inevitable confusion that\npeople being coerced into reading him might face. I’m\nnot sure if it would even work (simply for length with\nTWK, at the very least), but both options just seem to\nme like wonderful modern takes on old romance\nthemes/styles (apart from the glee of getting new\npeople to read Wolfe).\n\nI would certainly appreciate any thoughts.\n\n-Craig\n\n(I used to contribute a few years ago\nI lost the time\nbut kept up with the, wonderful-as-always,\narchives\nhopefully this summer will offer a chance to\nreread ALL of the Sun books, since it’s been too long.)\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<11331.67.142.130.49.1178602075.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2007-05-08T05:27:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Teaching Wolfe?", "in_reply_to": "<980529.68903.qm@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am personally amazed that Wolfe has not been offered a professorship\nsomewhere or another. Delany and John Crowley have, after all.\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Hello to the list!\n\nI recently finished teaching a course on\nmedieval/Renaissance “fantasy,” but I’m revising it\nnow to alternate old texts with new. I was considering\nteaching either Castleview or the Wizard Knight. I\nsuggested both to a couple of “fanboy/girl” students\nwho hadn’t read any Wolfe, and they went over quite\nwell. We had some great discussions on Castleview\ncontra Malory and Able contra just about everything\nduring office hours.\n\nBut I was wondering if anyone has ever taught Wolfe\nbefore. Specifically, I was hoping for any tips on how\nto deal with the all but inevitable confusion that\npeople being coerced into reading him might face. I’m\nnot sure if it would even work (simply for length with\nTWK, at the very least), but both options just seem to\nme like wonderful modern takes on old romance\nthemes/styles (apart from the glee of getting new\npeople to read Wolfe).\n\nI would certainly appreciate any thoughts.\n\n-Craig\n\n(I used to contribute a few years ago\nI lost the time\nbut kept up with the, wonderful-as-always,\narchives\nhopefully this summer will offer a chance to\nreread ALL of the Sun books, since it’s been too long.)\n\n\n\n____________________________________________________________________________________\nExpecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.\nTry the Yahoo! Mail Beta.\nhttp://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370705081106i2725273dpe23b0ed104ce69fe@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-05-08T18:06:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Teaching Wolfe?", "in_reply_to": "<11331.67.142.130.49.1178602075.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/7/07, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nI am personally amazed that Wolfe has not been offered a professorship\nsomewhere or another. Delany and John Crowley have, after all." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm not sure he hasn't. But if he hasn't, it might be because he's, ah,\nrather conservative. Academia, to be honest, does have a bit of a\nbias toward liberalism (thank God)." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nSoon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations,\ninexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food. Tire\nsalons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards\nreaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10705081108h19fd9ac4g7e7c68daee4db544@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-05-08T18:08:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Teaching Wolfe?", "in_reply_to": "<980529.68903.qm@web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As a college student myself, I heartily wish that some of my professors\nwould teach Wolfe, though I suppose it might be a hard sell for some\nstudents. I'd suggest teaching TWK over Castleview though, as I know that\nCastleview is out-of-print at the moment, and I imagine that even the best\nof college bookstores would have trouble getting enough copies for an entire\nclass onto their shelves (Or at least that's my personal experience from\nworking at a college bookstore). If you ever do teach a class with Wolfe\ntexts in it, would you mind posting the syllabus to Urth? I'd be really\ninterested in seeing it.\n\n-Matt" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/8/07, Craig Brewer wrote:\n\nHello to the list!\n\nI recently finished teaching a course on\nmedieval/Renaissance \"fantasy,\" but I'm revising it\nnow to alternate old texts with new. I was considering\nteaching either Castleview or the Wizard Knight. I\nsuggested both to a couple of \"fanboy/girl\" students\nwho hadn't read any Wolfe, and they went over quite\nwell. We had some great discussions on Castleview\ncontra Malory and Able contra just about everything\nduring office hours.\n\nBut I was wondering if anyone has ever taught Wolfe\nbefore. Specifically, I was hoping for any tips on how\nto deal with the all but inevitable confusion that\npeople being coerced into reading him might face. I'm\nnot sure if it would even work (simply for length with\nTWK, at the very least), but both options just seem to\nme like wonderful modern takes on old romance\nthemes/styles (apart from the glee of getting new\npeople to read Wolfe).\n\nI would certainly appreciate any thoughts.\n\n-Craig\n\n(I used to contribute a few years ago?I lost the time\nbut kept up with the, wonderful-as-always,\narchives hopefully this summer will offer a chance to\nreread ALL of the Sun books, since it's been too long.)\n\n\n\n\n____________________________________________________________________________________\nExpecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.\nTry the Yahoo! Mail Beta.\nhttp://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }