{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4852", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4852, "subject": "Tracking Song and vizcacha", "messages": 6, "voices": 3, "first": "2007-06-17T08:34:43+00:00", "last": "2007-06-17T18:19:22+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<007f01c7b0ba$5d6a4640$35cb5a42@rclackey.stic.net>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2007-06-17T08:34:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Tracking Song and vizcacha", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Damn, how thick of me!\n\nIt was Dave Lebling, aka vizcacha, who first wrote about that \"lost dog\"\nstuff I mentioned yesterday. Nine years ago! Why didn't you say something?\nBetter yet, say it now!\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "<46755317.5030007@hyraxes.com>", "from": { "name": "Dave Lebling", "address": "dlebling at hyraxes.com" }, "date": "2007-06-17T15:28:23+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Tracking Song and vizcacha", "in_reply_to": "<007f01c7b0ba$5d6a4640$35cb5a42@rclackey.stic.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Roy, the easiest answer is that I had completely forgotten that I was \nthe one who introduced that theory. I remember a couple of long threads \non \"Tracking Song\" back in the dim and misty past, and it took me a \nwhile in the archives to find this one (vol. 6 of the Digest, for those \nwho care).\n\nWhen I reread my own archived messages, sometimes they are embarrassing, \nsometimes I'm impressed. This is one of the \"impressed\" ones, although I \nnotice I discounted the relationship to CotW, which I think the recent \ndiscussion is more correct on. I was probably looking at straight plot \ncorrespondence, rather than thematic.\n\nDave Lebling, aka vizcacha" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nDamn, how thick of me!\n\nIt was Dave Lebling, aka vizcacha, who first wrote about that \"lost dog\"\nstuff I mentioned yesterday. Nine years ago! Why didn't you say something?\nBetter yet, say it now!\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "<467555CA.1080602@hyraxes.com>", "from": { "name": "Dave Lebling", "address": "dlebling at hyraxes.com" }, "date": "2007-06-17T15:39:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Tracking Song and vizcacha", "in_reply_to": "<46755317.5030007@hyraxes.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oops. Make that vol. 7 of Urth. Sigh.\n\n-- Dave" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Dave Lebling wrote:\nRoy, the easiest answer is that I had completely forgotten that I was \nthe one who introduced that theory. I remember a couple of long threads \non \"Tracking Song\" back in the dim and misty past, and it took me a \nwhile in the archives to find this one (vol. 6 of the Digest, for those \nwho care).\n\nWhen I reread my own archived messages, sometimes they are embarrassing, \nsometimes I'm impressed. This is one of the \"impressed\" ones, although I \nnotice I discounted the relationship to CotW, which I think the recent \ndiscussion is more correct on. I was probably looking at straight plot \ncorrespondence, rather than thematic.\n\nDave Lebling, aka vizcacha\n\n\nRoy C. Lackey wrote:\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Damn, how thick of me!\n\nIt was Dave Lebling, aka vizcacha, who first wrote about that \"lost dog\"\nstuff I mentioned yesterday. Nine years ago! Why didn't you say something?\nBetter yet, say it now!\n\n-Roy\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<39ed084f0706170920h4e4c917aoc1d603d1933e8a27@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Groves", "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-06-17T16:20:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Tracking Song and vizcacha", "in_reply_to": "<467555CA.1080602@hyraxes.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Roy wrote:\nIt was Dave Lebling, aka vizcacha, who first wrote about that \"lost dog\"\nstuff I mentioned yesterday. Nine years ago! Why didn't you say something?\nBetter yet, say it now!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " Well, I think I first read it in one of alga's posts. There's lots of\nclever people making astute observations in those archives, if you can\nmanage to find them, but it's not easy to determine who said what first." } ] }, { "message_id": "<39ed084f0706171014n65b5a661s974ea0705c4e149c@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Groves", "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-06-17T17:14:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Tracking Song and vizcacha", "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0706170920h4e4c917aoc1d603d1933e8a27@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Actually, here is proof that Dave Liebling was the first to speculate on\nCutthroat's dog nature (though I can't find the original post for some\nreason):\n\nhttp://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0007/0574.shtml\n\nVery interesting: he speculates that the Great Sleigh sleigh is, at one\nlevel of representation, the car (!!!) in which Cutthroat was riding before\nhe was left behind. He also compares the bouillon cubes to a domestic dog's\nkibble. I like it a lot!" } ] }, { "message_id": "<46757B2A.1010400@hyraxes.com>", "from": { "name": "Dave Lebling", "address": "dlebling at hyraxes.com" }, "date": "2007-06-17T18:19:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Tracking Song and vizcacha", "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0706171014n65b5a661s974ea0705c4e149c@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks, Matthew. It's \"Lebling,\" by the way, not \"Liebling.\" I think the \narchives have various lacunae; my original post on this topic isn't \nthere, just responses from alga and others. A little earlier in that \narchive is a post about problems with the database or the host, which \nmay explain it.\n\nThe epigraph has multiple meanings. The simplest is that Cutthroat, like \nthe Trojans, is an exile; he was expelled from the Great Sleigh, they \nwere expelled from Troy. On another level, remember that the Romans, the \ndescendants of Aeneas, were fostered by a she-wolf, as was Cutthroat by \nwolves. Third, consider the human-like animal people who have been \napproaching humanity for \"seven years\" and may now have reached it in \nthe person of Cutthroat. Fourth, consider the destroyed Troy reborn as \nRome, then a destroyed or at least diminished humanity (on the asteroid \nor even universally) reborn from the animals.\n\nDave Lebling, aka vizcacha" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Matthew Groves wrote:\nActually, here is proof that Dave Liebling was the first to speculate on\nCutthroat's dog nature (though I can't find the original post for some\nreason):\n\nhttp://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0007/0574.shtml\n\nVery interesting: he speculates that the Great Sleigh sleigh is, at one\nlevel of representation, the car (!!!) in which Cutthroat was riding \nbefore\nhe was left behind. He also compares the bouillon cubes to a domestic \ndog's\nkibble. I like it a lot!\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }