{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4860", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4860, "subject": "Wiki?", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2007-06-20T12:56:45+00:00", "last": "2007-06-21T11:20:56+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<20070620125430.0241D1BAF4@che.dreamhost.com>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar / UKG", "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk" }, "date": "2007-06-20T12:56:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wiki?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi all,\n\nDid anything ever get done about the Wolfe wiki idea?\n\nIf so, and stuff is in hand / under way, then brilliant.\n\nIf not, though, then maybe this could be time to give it another kick onwards?\n\nI'm able to host and administer such a wiki myself, although I won't \nbe able to do much in the way of populating it with material. If \nthere are people who are keen and ready to get uploading Wolfeiana, \nthen we could get started right away: I don't know what the critical \nmass of stuff would be for it to start being useful, but not a huge \nthreshold I shouldn't think.\n\nbest,\n\nMo" } ] }, { "message_id": "<200706201152.07367.ddjones@riddlemaster.org>", "from": { "name": "Daniel D Jones", "address": "ddjones at riddlemaster.org" }, "date": "2007-06-20T15:52:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wiki?", "in_reply_to": "<20070620125430.0241D1BAF4@che.dreamhost.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wednesday 20 June 2007 08:56, Mo Holkar / UKG wrote:\nHi all,\n\nDid anything ever get done about the Wolfe wiki idea?\n\nIf so, and stuff is in hand / under way, then brilliant.\n\nIf not, though, then maybe this could be time to give it another kick\nonwards?\n\nI'm able to host and administer such a wiki myself, although I won't\nbe able to do much in the way of populating it with material. If\nthere are people who are keen and ready to get uploading Wolfeiana,\nthen we could get started right away: I don't know what the critical\nmass of stuff would be for it to start being useful, but not a huge\nthreshold I shouldn't think." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As near as I can tell, this is a project in search of a leader. If someone \ntakes the initiative to get things configured and going, then there are a \nnumber of interested people who would likely take advantage of it. As to \nwhether there's enough people to create a critical mass and create something \nuseful or not is an open question. I don't think anyone will know until and \nunless someone is willing to get things going." } ] }, { "message_id": "<737327F0-15F3-488C-A17D-7DD5E571B07F@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-06-20T20:40:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wiki?", "in_reply_to": "<200706201152.07367.ddjones@riddlemaster.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Daniel D Jones wrote:\nOn Wednesday 20 June 2007 08:56, Mo Holkar / UKG wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I'm able to host and administer such a wiki myself, although I won't\nbe able to do much in the way of populating it with material. If\nthere are people who are keen and ready to get uploading Wolfeiana,\nthen we could get started right away: I don't know what the critical\nmass of stuff would be for it to start being useful, but not a huge\nthreshold I shouldn't think." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "As near as I can tell, this is a project in search of a leader. If \nsomeone\ntakes the initiative to get things configured and going, then there \nare a\nnumber of interested people who would likely take advantage of it. \nAs to\nwhether there's enough people to create a critical mass and create \nsomething\nuseful or not is an open question. I don't think anyone will know \nuntil and\nunless someone is willing to get things going." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Let's pretend for the sake of discussion that we already have \nMediaWiki installed, and now we're deciding how to configure it.\n\n1) Should the wiki be editable by anyone? Should we reserve editing \nto list members only?\n\nA halfway option would be to restrict a set of core pages to list \nmembers only to prevent vandalism, but to allow the unwashed masses \nto create and edit pages at the periphery. This would provide for \nreading journals or the like.\n\n2) What kind of structure, if any, should the wiki start with?\n\nhttp://lostpedia.com provides a decent example of a full-fledged \nMediaWiki site. I like that they reserve wild speculation about \nepisodes or characters to \"theories\" pages.\n\n3) Who wants to be a moderator?" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20070621111553.8602A1BBAC@che.dreamhost.com>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar / UKG", "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk" }, "date": "2007-06-21T11:20:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wiki?", "in_reply_to": "<737327F0-15F3-488C-A17D-7DD5E571B07F@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 21:40 20/06/2007, Matthew King wrote:\nLet's pretend for the sake of discussion that we already \nhave MediaWiki installed, and now we're deciding how to configure it." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Unfortunately I'm not able to install MediaWiki on my hosting, \nbecause of the specific MySQL requirements it makes: so if that's a \nsine qua non, I'll have to withdraw my offer.\n\nMy suggestion would be to use PmWiki, which has pretty similar \nfunctionality in the important areas:\nhttp://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/MediaWiki+PmWiki\nand I think should be fine for a small (numbers of people) project like this" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "1) Should the wiki be editable by anyone? Should we reserve \nediting to list members only?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's not going to be practical, AFAIK, to have membership of the wiki \nautomatically (and securely) respond to changes in the list \nmembership. List users are going to have to join the wiki separately. \nIn which case I would say we should reserve editing to wiki members only." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "A halfway option would be to restrict a set of core pages to \nlist members only to prevent vandalism, but to allow the unwashed \nmasses to create and edit pages at the periphery. This would \nprovide for reading journals or the like." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I would personally tend to allow anyone who goes to the effort of \njoining the wiki to edit it, just as anyone who goes to the effort of \njoining this list can post to it. But I don't feel strongly about \nthat: it's easy enough to have areas restricted to certain groups, \netc, if that's felt necessary." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "2) What kind of structure, if any, should the wiki start with?\n\nhttp://lostpedia.com provides a decent example of a full-fledged \nMediaWiki site. I like that they reserve wild speculation \nabout episodes or characters to \"theories\" pages." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have no strong views about structure." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "3) Who wants to be a moderator?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm happy to moderate in the administrative sense, but I would prefer \nnot to be involved in eg. mattes of quasi-academic dispute ;-)\n\nBy the way, if people think this discussion should be taken off list, \ndo please say,\n\nbest,\n\nMo\n\n\n\n\n\nMo Holkar\nUndying King Games\nmo at ukg.co.uk\nhttp://www.ukg.co.uk " } ] } ] }