Peter Wright's - Shadows of the New Sun

---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:16:09 -0500 From: Matthew King <automatthew at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <936D7D91-3D3E-4231-ABEF-A018DDB292CE at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 26, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:

If I hadn't known the story was by Wolfe, this sentence would have revealed it: "I'm going to pry, Roberta. I'm going to ask you about things that are none of my business. I hope you'll answer."

Yeah ... that sounds like it could come right out of Silk's mouth, doesn't it? Or Able, or the father from "Ziggurat", or Latro on his better days. If I'm remembering rightly, the protagonist of Memorare also spoke like that. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: don doggett <kingwukong at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <210591.1321.qm at web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Matthew King <automatthew at gmail.com> wrote: The Robinsons are fleshly: "Either the Robinsons could not have a child of their own, or were unwilling to undertake the travail and expense of a real child." Not necessarily. Wolfe's best trick is to make us make assumptions. The only statement of fact in the sentence is that the Robinsons don't have "real" children. It's suspiciously vague in the face of this Ro- pattern of the names. Even undertaking the travail and expense of a real child has no concrete meaning. Birthing a child? Procuring a child? Cloning one? All of these could be an expensive ordeal. Don The Evangelists: a Lesser Apocrypha http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid8109961 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: don doggett <kingwukong at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <845956.59488.qm at web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Matthew King <automatthew at gmail.com> wrote: And why does the narrator give himself the role of the evil dwarf in his imagining of a fecund human past? Maybe this is reaching on my part, but Herman Hesse wrote a story about a hideous dwarf who belonged to a princess. He's given a puppy that he loves more than anything, but the princess' jackass husband drowns it. So the dwarf gets revenge by poisoning the prince and himself, leaving the princess alone iirc. What this might have to do with the story, I'm not sure. It also seems to have reflections of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? where everyone is a replicant, but not everyone knows it. Don The Evangelists: a Lesser Apocrypha http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid8109961 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: don doggett <kingwukong at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <204532.13323.qm at web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Okay, I may crash and burn with this, but be darned if I'm not going to try to fly. First. You don't cook a salad. You prepare it. And if you're a cook rather than a chef, you don't specialise in salads. And the money won't be that great. This is from the Word Detective (google that and "cook"): {Our everyday "prepare food" verb "to cook" first appeared in the 14th century and is derived from the much older noun form, which comes from the Latin "coquus," which also gave us "concoct." As might be expected from an activity so central to human life, "to cook" has spawned a variety of slang and colloquial senses over the years, including "to ruin" and, alternatively, "to do very well" (as in "to cook with gas"). "To cook" meaning "to falsify, tamper with, present in a secretly altered form" is actually one of the oldest slang senses of the verb, dating all the way back to at least the early 17th century, and is directly drawn from the "prepare carefully" sense of "cook."} Okay, so what is salad? Well a salad, in addition to being a food, can also simply mean a "variety of things". BUT. . . another word for salad is sallet, which is also a helmet with eyeslits from the middle ages. So, I think that Julianne's dad is some sort of biomechanical engineer that specializes in sallets: brain pans and such. And Julianne is literally made from strips of meat. Either a clone or a Jonas type hybrid. But she's as artificial as Roberta. Don The Evangelists: a Lesser Apocrypha http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid8109961 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:28:23 +0100 From: Mo Holkar / UKG <lists at ukg.co.uk> Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press