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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4870, "subject": "Peter Wright's - Shadows of the New Sun", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2007-06-28T12:29:51+00:00", "last": "2007-07-06T13:41:07+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<573668.15722.qm@web27808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Jonathan Laidlow", "address": "ultan01 at yahoo.co.uk" }, "date": "2007-06-28T12:29:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Peter Wright's - Shadows of the New Sun", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "My partner in Ultanic crime, Nigel Price, reports that he has received a copy of Peter Wright's new book SHADOWS OF THE NEW SUN and so I can officially report that it is finally in print.\n\nPublished by Liverpool University Press and costing about twenty quid (which must be nearly 40 of your dollars) the book is divided into two halves. The first half contains 14 interviews with GW, spanning his entire career. It reprints interviews with Lawrence Person, James Jordan, Colin Greenland and Nick Gevers among others. The second half reprints a selection of GW's essays on writing, including the excellent \"Books in the BotNS\".\n\nIt is an excellent collection. The paperback ISBN is 184631058X and if you buy books from Amazon, I urge you to use the link on www.ultan.org.uk as we an poach a little bit of the money from Amazon in the hope of one day repaying Nigel for setting up the webhost and URL.\n\nJonathan\neditor, www.ultan.org.uk\n\n----- Original Message ----\nFrom: \"urth-request at lists.urth.net\" \nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSent: Wednesday, 27 June, 2007 7:49:31 PM\nSubject: urth Digest, Vol 34, Issue 42\n\nSend urth mailing list submissions to\n urth at lists.urth.net\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\n http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\n urth-request at lists.urth.net\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\n urth-owner at lists.urth.net\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of urth digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n 1. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (Matthew King)\n 2. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (don doggett)\n 3. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (don doggett)\n 4. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (don doggett)\n 5. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (Mo Holkar / UKG)\n 6. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (Solomon, Joshua)\n 7. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (Nigel Price)\n 8. Unrequited Love by Gene Wolfe (Kieran Mullen)\n 9. the elephant in the room (don doggett)\n 10. Re: the elephant in the room (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:16:09 -0500\nFrom: Matthew King \nSubject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID: <936D7D91-3D3E-4231-ABEF-A018DDB292CE at gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed\n\n\nOn Jun 26, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "If I hadn't known the story was by Wolfe, this sentence would have\nrevealed it:\n\"I'm going to pry, Roberta. I'm going to ask you about things that\nare none of my business. I hope you'll answer.\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Yeah ... that sounds like it could come right out of Silk's mouth,\ndoesn't it?\n\nOr Able, or the father from \"Ziggurat\", or Latro on his better days. \nIf I'm remembering rightly, the protagonist of Memorare also spoke \nlike that.\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:05:16 -0700 (PDT)\nFrom: don doggett \nSubject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID: <210591.1321.qm at web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\n\n\n--- Matthew King wrote:\n\n\nThe Robinsons are fleshly:\n\n\"Either the Robinsons could not have a child of\ntheir own, or were \nunwilling to undertake the travail and expense of a\nreal child.\"\n\nNot necessarily. Wolfe's best trick is to make us make\nassumptions. The only statement of fact in the\nsentence is that the Robinsons don't have \"real\"\nchildren. It's suspiciously vague in the face of this\nRo- pattern of the names. Even undertaking the travail\nand expense of a real child has no concrete meaning.\nBirthing a child? Procuring a child? Cloning one? All\nof these could be an expensive ordeal. \n\nDon\n\nThe Evangelists: a Lesser Apocrypha http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid\u00178109961\n\n\n \n____________________________________________________________________________________\nGet the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing.\nhttp://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 3\nDate: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:15:58 -0700 (PDT)\nFrom: don doggett \nSubject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID: <845956.59488.qm at web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\n\n\n--- Matthew King wrote:\n\n\nAnd why does the narrator give himself the role of\nthe evil dwarf in \nhis imagining of a fecund human past?\n\nMaybe this is reaching on my part, but Herman Hesse\nwrote a story about a hideous dwarf who belonged to a\nprincess. He's given a puppy that he loves more than\nanything, but the princess'\njackass husband drowns it. So the dwarf gets revenge\nby poisoning the prince and himself, leaving the\nprincess alone iirc. What this might have to do with\nthe story, I'm not sure. It also seems to have\nreflections of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?\nwhere everyone is a replicant, but not everyone knows\nit.\n\nDon\n\nThe Evangelists: a Lesser Apocrypha http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid\u00178109961\n\n\n \n____________________________________________________________________________________\nBuilding a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.\nhttp://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting \n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 4\nDate: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:34:21 -0700 (PDT)\nFrom: don doggett \nSubject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID: <204532.13323.qm at web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\n\n\nOkay,\n \nI may crash and burn with this, but be darned if I'm\nnot going to try to fly.\n\nFirst. You don't cook a salad. You prepare it. And if\nyou're a cook rather than a chef, you don't specialise\nin salads. And the money won't be that great. \n\nThis is from the Word Detective (google that and\n\"cook\"):\n\n {Our everyday \"prepare food\" verb \"to cook\" first\nappeared in the 14th century and is derived from the\nmuch older noun form, which comes from the Latin\n\"coquus,\" which also gave us \"concoct.\" As might be\nexpected from an activity so central to human life,\n\"to cook\" has spawned a variety of slang and\ncolloquial senses over the years, including \"to ruin\"\nand, alternatively, \"to do very well\" (as in \"to\ncook with gas\"). \"To cook\" meaning \"to falsify,\ntamper with, present in a secretly altered form\" is\nactually one of the oldest slang senses of the verb,\ndating all the way back to at least the early 17th\ncentury, and is directly drawn from the \"prepare\ncarefully\" sense of \"cook.\"}\n\nOkay, so what is salad? Well a salad, in addition to\nbeing a food, can also simply mean a \"variety of\nthings\". BUT. . . another word for salad is sallet,\nwhich is also a helmet with eyeslits from the middle\nages.\n\nSo, I think that Julianne's dad is some sort of\nbiomechanical engineer that specializes in sallets:\nbrain pans and such. And Julianne is literally made\nfrom strips of meat. Either a clone or a Jonas type\nhybrid. But she's as artificial as Roberta.\n\nDon\n\nThe Evangelists: a Lesser Apocrypha http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid\u00178109961\n\n\n \n____________________________________________________________________________________\nLooking for earth-friendly autos? \nBrowse Top Cars by \"Green Rating\" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.\nhttp://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 5\nDate: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:28:23 +0100\nFrom: Mo Holkar / UKG \nSubject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press" } ] }, { "message_id": "<311502.26905.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Recursive Loop", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-07-05T16:50:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Peter Wright's - Shadows of the New Sun", "in_reply_to": "<573668.15722.qm@web27808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\nJust saw on Amazon (US) that \"Shadows of the New Sun\" is listed as a trade paperback for $27.50\nand a hardcover for $75.00.\n\nIt's not (quite) out, with a publication date listed as 07/07/07 (and who was born on that day,\nsome years ago?).\n\nI'm going to put it in my \"shopping basket\" in the hopes that it actually does come out then!\n\nFPK3" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nigel Price", "address": "nigelprice at onetel.net" }, "date": "2007-07-06T13:41:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Peter Wright's - Shadows of the New Sun", "in_reply_to": "<311502.26905.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I got my copy of Peter's book from Amazon UK a couple of weeks ago.\n\nIt's a wonderful compendium of Wolfe interviews, many of which I'd read, but\nit's great to have them bound into a book.\n\nEssential reading - and if you order it through Ultan's Library at\nhttp://www.ultan.org.uk/index.html we get a small commission from Amazon\ntowards the upkeep of the site.\n\nWhich reminds me: is there any information in Ultan's Library, such as the\nlists of secondary sources on Wolfe, which would be of interest to the wiki\nteam?\n\nNigel" } ] } ] }