# Peter Wright's - Shadows of the New Sun *The Urth list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 28 Jun 2007* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Jonathan Laidlow *28 Jun 2007, 12:29* My partner in Ultanic crime, Nigel Price, reports that he has received a copy of Peter Wright's new book SHADOWS OF THE NEW SUN and so I can officially report that it is finally in print. Published by Liverpool University Press and costing about twenty quid (which must be nearly 40 of your dollars) the book is divided into two halves. The first half contains 14 interviews with GW, spanning his entire career. It reprints interviews with Lawrence Person, James Jordan, Colin Greenland and Nick Gevers among others. The second half reprints a selection of GW's essays on writing, including the excellent "Books in the BotNS". It is an excellent collection. The paperback ISBN is 184631058X and if you buy books from Amazon, I urge you to use the link on www.ultan.org.uk as we an poach a little bit of the money from Amazon in the hope of one day repaying Nigel for setting up the webhost and URL. Jonathan editor, www.ultan.org.uk ----- Original Message ---- From: "urth-request at lists.urth.net" To: urth at lists.urth.net Sent: Wednesday, 27 June, 2007 7:49:31 PM Subject: urth Digest, Vol 34, Issue 42 Send urth mailing list submissions to urth at lists.urth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to urth-request at lists.urth.net You can reach the person managing the list at urth-owner at lists.urth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of urth digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (Matthew King) 2. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (don doggett) 3. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (don doggett) 4. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (don doggett) 5. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (Mo Holkar / UKG) 6. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (Solomon, Joshua) 7. Re: New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press (Nigel Price) 8. Unrequited Love by Gene Wolfe (Kieran Mullen) 9. the elephant in the room (don doggett) 10. Re: the elephant in the room (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:16:09 -0500 > From: Matthew King > Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press > To: The Urth Mailing List > Message-ID: <936D7D91-3D3E-4231-ABEF-A018DDB292CE at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On Jun 26, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote: >> If I hadn't known the story was by Wolfe, this sentence would have >> revealed it: >> "I'm going to pry, Roberta. I'm going to ask you about things that >> are none of my business. I hope you'll answer." > Yeah ... that sounds like it could come right out of Silk's mouth, > doesn't it? > > Or Able, or the father from "Ziggurat", or Latro on his better days. > If I'm remembering rightly, the protagonist of Memorare also spoke > like that. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:05:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: don doggett > Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press > To: The Urth Mailing List > Message-ID: <210591.1321.qm at web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > --- Matthew King wrote: > > > The Robinsons are fleshly: > > "Either the Robinsons could not have a child of > their own, or were > unwilling to undertake the travail and expense of a > real child." > > Not necessarily. Wolfe's best trick is to make us make > assumptions. The only statement of fact in the > sentence is that the Robinsons don't have "real" > children. It's suspiciously vague in the face of this > Ro- pattern of the names. Even undertaking the travail > and expense of a real child has no concrete meaning. > Birthing a child? Procuring a child? Cloning one? All > of these could be an expensive ordeal. > > Don > > The Evangelists: a Lesser Apocrypha http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid8109961 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:15:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: don doggett > Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press > To: The Urth Mailing List > Message-ID: <845956.59488.qm at web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > --- Matthew King wrote: > > > And why does the narrator give himself the role of > the evil dwarf in > his imagining of a fecund human past? > > Maybe this is reaching on my part, but Herman Hesse > wrote a story about a hideous dwarf who belonged to a > princess. He's given a puppy that he loves more than > anything, but the princess' > jackass husband drowns it. So the dwarf gets revenge > by poisoning the prince and himself, leaving the > princess alone iirc. What this might have to do with > the story, I'm not sure. It also seems to have > reflections of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? > where everyone is a replicant, but not everyone knows > it. > > Don > > The Evangelists: a Lesser Apocrypha http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid8109961 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:34:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: don doggett > Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press > To: The Urth Mailing List > Message-ID: <204532.13323.qm at web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Okay, > > I may crash and burn with this, but be darned if I'm > not going to try to fly. > > First. You don't cook a salad. You prepare it. And if > you're a cook rather than a chef, you don't specialise > in salads. And the money won't be that great. > > This is from the Word Detective (google that and > "cook"): > > {Our everyday "prepare food" verb "to cook" first > appeared in the 14th century and is derived from the > much older noun form, which comes from the Latin > "coquus," which also gave us "concoct." As might be > expected from an activity so central to human life, > "to cook" has spawned a variety of slang and > colloquial senses over the years, including "to ruin" > and, alternatively, "to do very well" (as in "to > cook with gas"). "To cook" meaning "to falsify, > tamper with, present in a secretly altered form" is > actually one of the oldest slang senses of the verb, > dating all the way back to at least the early 17th > century, and is directly drawn from the "prepare > carefully" sense of "cook."} > > Okay, so what is salad? Well a salad, in addition to > being a food, can also simply mean a "variety of > things". BUT. . . another word for salad is sallet, > which is also a helmet with eyeslits from the middle > ages. > > So, I think that Julianne's dad is some sort of > biomechanical engineer that specializes in sallets: > brain pans and such. And Julianne is literally made > from strips of meat. Either a clone or a Jonas type > hybrid. But she's as artificial as Roberta. > > Don > > The Evangelists: a Lesser Apocrypha http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid8109961 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:28:23 +0100 > From: Mo Holkar / UKG > Subject: Re: (urth) New Wolfe Story at Subterranean Press --- ### Recursive Loop *05 Jul 2007, 16:50 · in reply to Jonathan Laidlow* Greetings: Just saw on Amazon (US) that "Shadows of the New Sun" is listed as a trade paperback for $27.50 and a hardcover for $75.00. It's not (quite) out, with a publication date listed as 07/07/07 (and who was born on that day, some years ago?). I'm going to put it in my "shopping basket" in the hopes that it actually does come out then! FPK3 --- ### Nigel Price *06 Jul 2007, 13:41 · follows Recursive Loop* I got my copy of Peter's book from Amazon UK a couple of weeks ago. It's a wonderful compendium of Wolfe interviews, many of which I'd read, but it's great to have them bound into a book. Essential reading - and if you order it through Ultan's Library at http://www.ultan.org.uk/index.html we get a small commission from Amazon towards the upkeep of the site. Which reminds me: is there any information in Ultan's Library, such as the lists of secondary sources on Wolfe, which would be of interest to the wiki team? Nigel ---