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  "thread": {
    "id": 4872,
    "subject": "Content needed...",
    "messages": 12,
    "voices": 5,
    "first": "2007-07-03T23:25:56+00:00",
    "last": "2007-07-08T10:55:49+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<1f7617370707031625k70f465b0wabe5bb6829d15817@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-03T23:25:56+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
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          "text": "Hey,\n\nWe're beginning to build some content on the WolfeWiki at\nhttp://www.holkar.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=WolfeWiki.Contents and\nit would be great if a couple more people joined in at this point -- we're\nmoving toward critical mass, but could use help in achieving it.\nMo's done a great job of setting it up, but the point here is to have\nthe Lupine mob collaborate on this.\n\nPlus, it's kind of fun to do."
        },
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          "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nSoon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations,\ninexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food. Tire\nsalons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards\nreaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful."
        }
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<39ed084f0707032101h5001aa4ag80dfcdd53b89a2db@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Matthew Groves",
        "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com"
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      "date": "2007-07-04T04:01:38+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370707031625k70f465b0wabe5bb6829d15817@mail.gmail.com>",
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          "text": "I would like to be a part of the efforts if I can offer anything.  Is\nthere a plan of action?\n\n(One thing I noticed: Under \"Standalone Novels\" the publication date\nof Pirate Freedom is listed as 1997.)"
        }
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<1f7617370707040938m2fd15505s2d9ede36cd706bbf@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-04T16:38:44+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0707032101h5001aa4ag80dfcdd53b89a2db@mail.gmail.com>",
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          "text": "On 7/3/07, Matthew Groves <matthewalangroves at gmail.com> wrote:\nI would like to be a part of the efforts if I can offer anything.  Is\nthere a plan of action?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "It's evolving as we go. Mo can say more than me, he's the\ncaptain of this ship. I'm just trying to stoke the boilers a bit.\n\nRight now, we seem to be just getting in the basic factual\ncontent. One thing I initiated is putting an \"editions\" section\nunder each book (I'm not sure if they're there for the books\nI haven't worked on), so anyone having an edition not so\nfar listed is particularly asked for information.\n\nAlso, neither Mo nor I has any of the rarer collections\n(\"Young Wolfe,\" \"Bibliomen,' etc.), so anyone who has\nthose and can enter the contents -- it would be greatly\nappreciated.\n\nThen once that's done, the fun stuff begins -- we can\nstart working on plot summary, interpretation, relations\nto other works, references to other works (including\nother writers), etc. Though I guess the one thing does\nnot have to be finished before the other starts."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "(One thing I noticed: Under \"Standalone Novels\" the publication date\nof Pirate Freedom is listed as 1997.)"
        },
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "That appears to be fixed now."
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          "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nSoon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations,\ninexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food. Tire\nsalons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards\nreaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful."
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    {
      "message_id": "<20070704204055.9C0A41BBBF@che.dreamhost.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Mo Holkar / UKG",
        "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-04T20:41:01+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370707040938m2fd15505s2d9ede36cd706bbf@mail.gmail.com>",
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          "text": "At 17:38 04/07/2007, Dan'l wrote:\nOn 7/3/07, Matthew Groves <matthewalangroves at gmail.com> wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": " I would like to be a part of the efforts if I can offer anything."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "It'd be great to have you involved! There's certainly plenty to do, \neven in the current limited scope."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Is there a plan of action?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "It's evolving as we go. Mo can say more than me, he's the\ncaptain of this ship. I'm just trying to stoke the boilers a bit."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I prefer to think of myself as the shipowner in a remote (and \npleasantly heated) office...\n\nAt the moment we've just been working on getting the bibliography / \nlist of resources up and established.\n\nMy feeling is that it needs a few more people involved, and a \nconsensus about what the project's objectives are, before we can \ngenerate a proper task list.\n\n(FWIW, my own main objective would be to have a place to capture the \nmain interpretations, explanations, theories, debates etc from this \nlist in a more convenient form than an email archive provides. So, \nfor example, we've recently had a bunch of good stuff posted about \nthe new story Unrequited Love -- I'd like to see a wiki page \nsummarizing the various interesting points made, so that when I come \nto read the story again in the future, I have an easy recourse to \nwhat people have said about it.)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": " (One thing I noticed: Under \"Standalone Novels\" the publication \ndate  of Pirate Freedom is listed as 1997.)"
        },
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "That appears to be fixed now."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "There are probably other such errors, though, as we typed in a good \ndeal of data pretty quickly, so if anyone spots anything do say (or \ndive in and fix it yourself),\n\nbest,\n\nMo"
        }
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    {
      "message_id": "<39ed084f0707051557v24bb4c32h88781f5fba5406ec@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Matthew Groves",
        "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-05T22:57:06+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
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          "text": "(FWIW, my own main objective would be to have a place to capture the\nmain interpretations, explanations, theories, debates etc from this\nlist in a more convenient form than an email archive provides. [...])"
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          "text": "Seconded.  Also, I think secondary reading lists and links might be\nuseful, both for individual stories/novels (e.g., relevant sections of\nHerodotus' Histories for Soldier, or links to information on Attis for\nThere Are Doors) and for a general background on understanding Wolfe\n(e.g., perhaps, The White Goddess, or The Golden Bough)."
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<468E839A.9030600@charter.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "JWillard",
        "address": "aldenweer at charter.net"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-06T18:02:02+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370707031625k70f465b0wabe5bb6829d15817@mail.gmail.com>",
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          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nHey,\n\nWe're beginning to build some content on the WolfeWiki at\nhttp://www.holkar.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=WolfeWiki.Contents and\nit would be great if a couple more people joined in at this point -- we're\nmoving toward critical mass, but could use help in achieving it.\nMo's done a great job of setting it up, but the point here is to have\nthe Lupine mob collaborate on this.\n\nPlus, it's kind of fun to do.\n\n "
        },
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "How does one register?  I found something asking for user name and \npassword, but couldn't figure out where to set this up.  Help!"
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    {
      "message_id": "<1f7617370707061211h7226b03atec6de3791eb4f310@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-06T19:11:35+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<468E839A.9030600@charter.net>",
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          "text": "Ah. For the moment, one writes to Mo."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On 7/6/07, JWillard <aldenweer at charter.net> wrote:\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Hey,\n\nWe're beginning to build some content on the WolfeWiki at\nhttp://www.holkar.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=WolfeWiki.Contents and\nit would be great if a couple more people joined in at this point -- we're\nmoving toward critical mass, but could use help in achieving it.\nMo's done a great job of setting it up, but the point here is to have\nthe Lupine mob collaborate on this.\n\nPlus, it's kind of fun to do."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "How does one register?  I found something asking for user name and\npassword, but couldn't figure out where to set this up.  Help!\n_______________________________________________"
        }
      ]
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    {
      "message_id": "<20070707100626.0F5A71BA77@che.dreamhost.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Mo Holkar / UKG",
        "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-07T10:06:30+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<468E839A.9030600@charter.net>",
      "reply_link": "header",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 19:02 06/07/2007, you wrote:\nHow does one register?  I found something asking for user name and \npassword, but couldn't figure out where to set this up.  Help!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Sorry, the instructions are kind of tucked away:\nhttp://www.holkar.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Admin.Editing\n\nBasically, tell me the username and password you want, and I'll add \nyou as a user. I don't want to set up an automatic facility for it \nuntil I've got a thorough grasp of the security ins and outs.\n\nbest wishes,\n\nMo"
        }
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<468FB47B.2010800@hyraxes.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dave Lebling",
        "address": "dlebling at hyraxes.com"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-07T15:42:51+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<20070707100626.0F5A71BA77@che.dreamhost.com>",
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      "blocks": [
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          "text": "The address given at that link bounced with a \"PERMFAIL\".\n\n-- Dave Lebling, aka vizcacha"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Mo Holkar / UKG wrote:\nAt 19:02 06/07/2007, you wrote:\n  "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "How does one register?  I found something asking for user name and \npassword, but couldn't figure out where to set this up.  Help!\n    "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Sorry, the instructions are kind of tucked away:\nhttp://www.holkar.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Admin.Editing\n\nBasically, tell me the username and password you want, and I'll add \nyou as a user. I don't want to set up an automatic facility for it \nuntil I've got a thorough grasp of the security ins and outs.\n\nbest wishes,\n\nMo\n\n_______________________________________________"
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    {
      "message_id": "<20070707201249.1A4151BB69@che.dreamhost.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Mo Holkar / UKG",
        "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-07T20:12:48+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<468FB47B.2010800@hyraxes.com>",
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      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "At 16:42 07/07/2007, Dave Lebling wrote:\nThe address given at that link bounced with a \"PERMFAIL\"."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I just clicked the link included below, and it worked fine for me -- \nanyone else having any problems? If not, likely some temporary \ncuriosity of the servers -- worth trying again.\n\nbest,\n\nMo"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Mo Holkar / UKG wrote:"
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        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "At 19:02 06/07/2007, you wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 3,
          "text": "How does one register?  I found something asking for user name and \npassword, but couldn't figure out where to set this up.  Help!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Sorry, the instructions are kind of tucked away:\n<http://www.holkar.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Admin.Editing>http://www.holkar.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Admin.Editing\n\nBasically, tell me the username and password you want, and I'll add \nyou as a user. I don't want to set up an automatic facility for it \nuntil I've got a thorough grasp of the security ins and outs.\n\nbest wishes,\n\nMo"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Mo Holkar\nUndying King Games\nmo at ukg.co.uk\nhttp://www.ukg.co.uk"
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    {
      "message_id": "<46903C4A.4000308@hyraxes.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dave Lebling",
        "address": "dlebling at hyraxes.com"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-08T01:22:18+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<20070707201249.1A4151BB69@che.dreamhost.com>",
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          "text": "Not the link, the email address itself. The link is fine, the address \ndidn't work.\n\n-- Dave"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Mo Holkar / UKG wrote:\nAt 16:42 07/07/2007, Dave Lebling wrote:\n  "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "The address given at that link bounced with a \"PERMFAIL\".\n    "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "I just clicked the link included below, and it worked fine for me -- \nanyone else having any problems? If not, likely some temporary \ncuriosity of the servers -- worth trying again.\n\nbest,\n\nMo\n\n\n  "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Mo Holkar / UKG wrote:\n    "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 3,
          "text": "At 19:02 06/07/2007, you wrote:\n\n      "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 4,
          "text": "How does one register?  I found something asking for user name and \npassword, but couldn't figure out where to set this up.  Help!\n\n        "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 3,
          "text": "Sorry, the instructions are kind of tucked away:\n<http://www.holkar.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Admin.Editing>http://www.holkar.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Admin.Editing\n\nBasically, tell me the username and password you want, and I'll add \nyou as a user. I don't want to set up an automatic facility for it \nuntil I've got a thorough grasp of the security ins and outs.\n\nbest wishes,\n\nMo\n      "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Mo Holkar\nUndying King Games\nmo at ukg.co.uk\nhttp://www.ukg.co.uk\n    "
        },
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          "text": "_______________________________________________"
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      "message_id": "<20070708105600.1764A1BB6C@che.dreamhost.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Mo Holkar / UKG",
        "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "2007-07-08T10:55:49+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Content needed...",
      "in_reply_to": "<46903C4A.4000308@hyraxes.com>",
      "reply_link": "header",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 02:22 08/07/2007, Dave wrote:\nNot the link, the email address itself. The link is fine, the \naddress didn't work."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Ah, sorry, I misunderstood.\n\nI'll mail you from that address now so you can just respond to that message,\n\nbest wishes,\n\nMo"
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