{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4878", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4878, "subject": "Borski's 5HOC site", "messages": 8, "voices": 7, "first": "2007-07-09T14:30:27+00:00", "last": "2007-07-14T14:20:05+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "aaron", "address": "aaronsingleton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-07-09T14:30:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Borski's 5HOC site", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Just curious to see if Borski's 5HOC site works for anyone here. Each time\nI have tried to visit, I get a forbidden message. It is very frustrating as\nI really want to read some of the content there. If the site is dead, are\nthere any places on the web where I can read some of the essays etc. that\nwere once kept on the site? Thanks in advance for any help.\n\nAaron Singleton" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nigel Price", "address": "nigelprice at onetel.net" }, "date": "2007-07-09T15:31:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Borski's 5HOC site", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No, I can't get onto Robert Borski's \"Cave Canem\" website anymore either. I\nhaven't been able to contact him by e-mail or telephone, though I've tried\nboth and I know that others have too. I hope that he's all right. My best\nguess is that he wants a bit of privacy at the moment. I'd be very pleased\nto hear news of him. My only \"contact\" with Robert for some while has been\nbuying his books!\n\nNigel" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1184079068.17122.1199419763@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "from": { "name": "Rex Lycanthrosaurus", "address": "lycanthrosaurus at fastmail.fm" }, "date": "2007-07-10T14:51:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Borski's 5HOC site", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Several months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the\nstrangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been appearing\nlately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been available as a\ndownload from a gmail account he set up expressly for that purpose.\nApparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word every time a\nrequest comes up. I just tested the link and it remains valid, so for\nthose interested, after you go to gmail.com, login with the following\nparticulars:\n\nUsername = rborski\nPassword = CaveCanem\n\nI was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available\nfrom siriusfiction \"for a pittance\" and that a synthesis of the Cave\nCanem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth Head,\ncan be found in his second book. \n\nWonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem material--with\npermission--could be wikified? \n\nOn Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:30:27 -0400, \"aaron\" \nsaid:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Just curious to see if Borski's 5HOC site works for anyone here. Each\ntime\nI have tried to visit, I get a forbidden message. It is very frustrating\nas\nI really want to read some of the content there. If the site is dead,\nare\nthere any places on the web where I can read some of the essays etc. that\nwere once kept on the site? Thanks in advance for any help." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": " Rex Lycanthrosaurus\n lycanthrosaurus at fastmail.fm\n\n-- \nhttp://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users:\n http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20070710153228.E35F01BB96@che.dreamhost.com>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar / UKG", "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk" }, "date": "2007-07-10T15:32:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Borski's 5HOC site", "in_reply_to": "<1184079068.17122.1199419763@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 15:51 10/07/2007, you wrote:\nSeveral months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the \nstrangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been \nappearing lately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been \navailable as a download from a gmail account he set up expressly for \nthat purpose. Apparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word \nevery time a request comes up. I just tested the link and it remains \nvalid, so for those interested, after you go to gmail.com, login \nwith the following particulars:\n\nUsername = rborski Password = CaveCanem" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That's very kind of him!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available \nfrom siriusfiction \"for a pittance\" and that a synthesis of the Cave \nCanem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth \nHead, can be found in his second book.\n\nWonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem \nmaterial--with permission--could be wikified?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've now downloaded a copy to read myself, and would be very happy to \nput it up onto WolfeWiki if his permission can be sought and obtained,\n\nMo" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "aaron", "address": "aaronsingleton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-07-10T23:07:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Borski's 5HOC site", "in_reply_to": "<20070710153228.E35F01BB96@che.dreamhost.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That is a great idea. I would never have thought of using gmail's huge free\nstorage for such a purpose.\n\n\nAaron" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/10/07, Mo Holkar / UKG wrote:\n\nAt 15:51 10/07/2007, you wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Several months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the\nstrangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been\nappearing lately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been\navailable as a download from a gmail account he set up expressly for\nthat purpose. Apparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word\nevery time a request comes up. I just tested the link and it remains\nvalid, so for those interested, after you go to gmail.com, login\nwith the following particulars:\n\nUsername = rborski Password = CaveCanem" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "That's very kind of him!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available\nfrom siriusfiction \"for a pittance\" and that a synthesis of the Cave\nCanem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth\nHead, can be found in his second book.\n\nWonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem\nmaterial--with permission--could be wikified?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I've now downloaded a copy to read myself, and would be very happy to\nput it up onto WolfeWiki if his permission can be sought and obtained,\n\nMo\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370707101630x6a24f6cdt1b890716d4ccb6a@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-07-10T23:30:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Borski's 5HOC site", "in_reply_to": "<1184079068.17122.1199419763@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "OK, and there's also this family tree in there, in which it appears\nthat Severian is his own grampaw.\n\nWTF???" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/10/07, Rex Lycanthrosaurus wrote:\nSeveral months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the\nstrangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been appearing\nlately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been available as a\ndownload from a gmail account he set up expressly for that purpose.\nApparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word every time a\nrequest comes up. I just tested the link and it remains valid, so for\nthose interested, after you go to gmail.com, login with the following\nparticulars:\n\nUsername = rborski\nPassword = CaveCanem\n\nI was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available\nfrom siriusfiction \"for a pittance\" and that a synthesis of the Cave\nCanem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth Head,\ncan be found in his second book.\n\nWonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem material--with\npermission--could be wikified?\n\nOn Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:30:27 -0400, \"aaron\" \nsaid:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Just curious to see if Borski's 5HOC site works for anyone here. Each\ntime\nI have tried to visit, I get a forbidden message. It is very frustrating\nas\nI really want to read some of the content there. If the site is dead,\nare\nthere any places on the web where I can read some of the essays etc. that\nwere once kept on the site? Thanks in advance for any help." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--\n Rex Lycanthrosaurus\n lycanthrosaurus at fastmail.fm\n\n--\nhttp://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users:\n http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20070714063933.GA13927@localhost>", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-07-14T06:39:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Borski's 5HOC site", "in_reply_to": "<20070710153228.E35F01BB96@che.dreamhost.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On 0, Mo Holkar / UKG scribbled:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 15:51 10/07/2007, you wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Several months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the\nstrangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been\nappearing lately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been\navailable as a download from a gmail account he set up expressly for\nthat purpose. Apparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word\nevery time a request comes up. I just tested the link and it remains\nvalid, so for those interested, after you go to gmail.com, login\nwith the following particulars:\n\nUsername = rborski Password = CaveCanem" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "That's very kind of him!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available\nfrom siriusfiction \"for a pittance\" and that a synthesis of the Cave\nCanem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth\nHead, can be found in his second book.\n\nWonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem\nmaterial--with permission--could be wikified?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I've now downloaded a copy to read myself, and would be very happy to\nput it up onto WolfeWiki if his permission can be sought and obtained,\n\nMo" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If you do ask, make sure you get a decent license for the corpus. Copyright is a very treacherous thing, with many arbitrary and nasty rules (I especially like how derivative works must be licensed under the most restrictive license applied to any of its constituents, or the copyright by default regime). If it goes on the wiki, people will be editing it, hopefully, and incorporating it into other pages, so if it has a proprietary or non-commercial license, it'll sooner or later contaminate other pages." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern\n\"A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. This every sister of the Bene Gesserit knows...\"" } ] }, { "message_id": "<200707141020.05670.ddjones@riddlemaster.org>", "from": { "name": "Daniel D Jones", "address": "ddjones at riddlemaster.org" }, "date": "2007-07-14T14:20:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Borski's 5HOC site", "in_reply_to": "<20070714063933.GA13927@localhost>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Saturday 14 July 2007 02:39, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nOn 0, Mo Holkar / UKG scribbled:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I've now downloaded a copy to read myself, and would be very happy to\nput it up onto WolfeWiki if his permission can be sought and obtained,\n\nMo" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "If you do ask, make sure you get a decent license for the corpus. Copyright\nis a very treacherous thing, with many arbitrary and nasty rules (I\nespecially like how derivative works must be licensed under the most\nrestrictive license applied to any of its constituents, or the copyright by\ndefault regime). If it goes on the wiki, people will be editing it,\nhopefully, and incorporating it into other pages, so if it has a\nproprietary or non-commercial license, it'll sooner or later contaminate\nother pages.\n\n--\ngwern\n\"A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the\nbalances are correct. This every sister of the Bene Gesserit knows...\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think the best thing to do for cases like this would be for the admin to \nlock the pages and disallow editing, and to put an introduction at the top \nwith attribution to Borski and explaining why editing is not allowed." } ] } ] }