# Borski's 5HOC site *The Urth list — 8 messages, 7 voices, 09 Jul 2007* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### aaron *09 Jul 2007, 14:30* Just curious to see if Borski's 5HOC site works for anyone here. Each time I have tried to visit, I get a forbidden message. It is very frustrating as I really want to read some of the content there. If the site is dead, are there any places on the web where I can read some of the essays etc. that were once kept on the site? Thanks in advance for any help. Aaron Singleton --- ### Nigel Price *09 Jul 2007, 15:31 · follows aaron* No, I can't get onto Robert Borski's "Cave Canem" website anymore either. I haven't been able to contact him by e-mail or telephone, though I've tried both and I know that others have too. I hope that he's all right. My best guess is that he wants a bit of privacy at the moment. I'd be very pleased to hear news of him. My only "contact" with Robert for some while has been buying his books! Nigel --- ### Rex Lycanthrosaurus *10 Jul 2007, 14:51 · in reply to aaron* Several months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the strangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been appearing lately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been available as a download from a gmail account he set up expressly for that purpose. Apparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word every time a request comes up. I just tested the link and it remains valid, so for those interested, after you go to gmail.com, login with the following particulars: Username = rborski Password = CaveCanem I was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available from siriusfiction "for a pittance" and that a synthesis of the Cave Canem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth Head, can be found in his second book. Wonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem material--with permission--could be wikified? On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:30:27 -0400, "aaron" said: > Just curious to see if Borski's 5HOC site works for anyone here. Each > time > I have tried to visit, I get a forbidden message. It is very frustrating > as > I really want to read some of the content there. If the site is dead, > are > there any places on the web where I can read some of the essays etc. that > were once kept on the site? Thanks in advance for any help. ``` Rex Lycanthrosaurus lycanthrosaurus at fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html ``` --- ### Mo Holkar / UKG *10 Jul 2007, 15:32 · in reply to Rex Lycanthrosaurus* > At 15:51 10/07/2007, you wrote: > Several months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the > strangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been > appearing lately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been > available as a download from a gmail account he set up expressly for > that purpose. Apparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word > every time a request comes up. I just tested the link and it remains > valid, so for those interested, after you go to gmail.com, login > with the following particulars: > > Username = rborski Password = CaveCanem That's very kind of him! > I was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available > from siriusfiction "for a pittance" and that a synthesis of the Cave > Canem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth > Head, can be found in his second book. > > Wonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem > material--with permission--could be wikified? I've now downloaded a copy to read myself, and would be very happy to put it up onto WolfeWiki if his permission can be sought and obtained, Mo --- ### aaron *10 Jul 2007, 23:07 · in reply to Mo Holkar / UKG* That is a great idea. I would never have thought of using gmail's huge free storage for such a purpose. Aaron > On 7/10/07, Mo Holkar / UKG wrote: > > At 15:51 10/07/2007, you wrote: >> Several months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the >> strangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been >> appearing lately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been >> available as a download from a gmail account he set up expressly for >> that purpose. Apparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word >> every time a request comes up. I just tested the link and it remains >> valid, so for those interested, after you go to gmail.com, login >> with the following particulars: >> >> Username = rborski Password = CaveCanem > That's very kind of him! >> I was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available >> from siriusfiction "for a pittance" and that a synthesis of the Cave >> Canem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth >> Head, can be found in his second book. >> >> Wonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem >> material--with permission--could be wikified? > I've now downloaded a copy to read myself, and would be very happy to > put it up onto WolfeWiki if his permission can be sought and obtained, > > Mo > > > > _______________________________________________ --- ### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes *10 Jul 2007, 23:30 · in reply to Rex Lycanthrosaurus* OK, and there's also this family tree in there, in which it appears that Severian is his own grampaw. WTF??? > On 7/10/07, Rex Lycanthrosaurus wrote: > Several months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the > strangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been appearing > lately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been available as a > download from a gmail account he set up expressly for that purpose. > Apparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word every time a > request comes up. I just tested the link and it remains valid, so for > those interested, after you go to gmail.com, login with the following > particulars: > > Username = rborski > Password = CaveCanem > > I was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available > from siriusfiction "for a pittance" and that a synthesis of the Cave > Canem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth Head, > can be found in his second book. > > Wonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem material--with > permission--could be wikified? > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:30:27 -0400, "aaron" > said: >> Just curious to see if Borski's 5HOC site works for anyone here. Each >> time >> I have tried to visit, I get a forbidden message. It is very frustrating >> as >> I really want to read some of the content there. If the site is dead, >> are >> there any places on the web where I can read some of the essays etc. that >> were once kept on the site? Thanks in advance for any help. > -- > Rex Lycanthrosaurus > lycanthrosaurus at fastmail.fm > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: > http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html > > _______________________________________________ --- ### Gwern Branwen *14 Jul 2007, 06:39 · in reply to Mo Holkar / UKG* On 0, Mo Holkar / UKG scribbled: > At 15:51 10/07/2007, you wrote: >> Several months ago I was able to touch base with Mr. Borski via the >> strangehorizons site, where quite a bit of his poetry has been >> appearing lately, and he told me Cave Canem has always been >> available as a download from a gmail account he set up expressly for >> that purpose. Apparently, someone here is supposed to pass the word >> every time a request comes up. I just tested the link and it remains >> valid, so for those interested, after you go to gmail.com, login >> with the following particulars: >> >> Username = rborski Password = CaveCanem > That's very kind of him! >> I was also told that hard copies of the Concordance remain available >> from siriusfiction "for a pittance" and that a synthesis of the Cave >> Canem essays, containing Borski's most recent thinking about Fifth >> Head, can be found in his second book. >> >> Wonder at the same time if there's any way the Cave Canem >> material--with permission--could be wikified? > I've now downloaded a copy to read myself, and would be very happy to > put it up onto WolfeWiki if his permission can be sought and obtained, > > Mo If you do ask, make sure you get a decent license for the corpus. Copyright is a very treacherous thing, with many arbitrary and nasty rules (I especially like how derivative works must be licensed under the most restrictive license applied to any of its constituents, or the copyright by default regime). If it goes on the wiki, people will be editing it, hopefully, and incorporating it into other pages, so if it has a proprietary or non-commercial license, it'll sooner or later contaminate other pages. ``` gwern "A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. This every sister of the Bene Gesserit knows..." ``` --- ### Daniel D Jones *14 Jul 2007, 14:20 · in reply to Gwern Branwen* > On Saturday 14 July 2007 02:39, Gwern Branwen wrote: > On 0, Mo Holkar / UKG scribbled: >> I've now downloaded a copy to read myself, and would be very happy to >> put it up onto WolfeWiki if his permission can be sought and obtained, >> >> Mo > If you do ask, make sure you get a decent license for the corpus. Copyright > is a very treacherous thing, with many arbitrary and nasty rules (I > especially like how derivative works must be licensed under the most > restrictive license applied to any of its constituents, or the copyright by > default regime). If it goes on the wiki, people will be editing it, > hopefully, and incorporating it into other pages, so if it has a > proprietary or non-commercial license, it'll sooner or later contaminate > other pages. > > -- > gwern > "A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the > balances are correct. This every sister of the Bene Gesserit knows..." I think the best thing to do for cases like this would be for the admin to lock the pages and disallow editing, and to put an introduction at the top with attribution to Borski and explaining why editing is not allowed. ---