# Digest urth.v009.n008 *The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 11 Apr 1998* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Alice Turner *11 Apr 1998, 00:58* If I recall correctly, > Phaedrus is a child of Apollo by a mortal woman, who begged > his father to allow him to drive the chariot of the sun. > He could not control the horses and eventually was thrown out > over the sea, fell and drowned. No, that is Phaethon (umlaut over the e). His name means "shining" (Graves), and his father is Helios (the sun) rather than Apollo (brightness of day). Phaedra means the same: "bright one." There do not seem to be, in my references, a genuine mythological Phadria or a Phaedrus. But I think that "Zen" (a book I liked a lot at a certain time in my life) may have found a legitimate phililogical usage, also meaning "bright one," or something like it in Phaedrus. -alga- ---