{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4880", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4880, "subject": "Seven American Nights question", "messages": 7, "voices": 6, "first": "2007-07-15T07:36:28+00:00", "last": "2007-07-16T16:30:24+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "aaron", "address": "aaronsingleton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-07-15T07:36:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights question", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This may sound like a stupid question: What causes the ocean to turn yellow\nat the beginning of Seven American Nights? The American on board becomes\nvery offended when Nadan points this out to him. Any help is greatly\nappreciated.\n\nAaron Singleton" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nigel Price", "address": "nigelprice at onetel.net" }, "date": "2007-07-15T14:53:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights question", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Aaron Singleton asked:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This may sound like a stupid question: What causes the ocean to turn\nyellow" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "at the beginning of Seven American Nights? The American on board becomes\nvery offended when Nadan points this out to him. Any help is greatly\nappreciated.<<\n\nDoesn't sound like a stupid question to me.\n\nI imagine that the yellow colouration is caused by sand and mud carried out\ninto the ocean by rivers flowing from the American interior. America has\nbeen blasted by war and bombs which have destroyed nearly all the\nvegetation. No longer secured by the roots of trees and plants, the top soil\nhas come loose and blown and washed away. Now the rivers are washing all\nthis loose topsoil out into the sea, where it discolours the water.\n\nNigel" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370707150926y297abec6hac1789436c251c76@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-07-15T16:26:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights question", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have always assumed that it was pollution (or perhaps an algae\nblossom like a red tide) caused by American industry." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/15/07, aaron wrote:\nThis may sound like a stupid question: What causes the ocean to turn yellow\nat the beginning of Seven American Nights? The American on board becomes\nvery offended when Nadan points this out to him. Any help is greatly\nappreciated.\n\nAaron Singleton\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nSoon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations,\ninexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food. Tire\nsalons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards\nreaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kurt Schwind", "address": "kurt.schwind at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-07-16T11:42:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights question", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370707150926y297abec6hac1789436c251c76@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm with Dan'l. I always thought it was a type of industrial\npollution. I'm not sure why it's 'yellow' particularly, but I just\nassumed it was some poisonous industrial waste." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/15/07, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nI have always assumed that it was pollution (or perhaps an algae\nblossom like a red tide) caused by American industry.\n\nOn 7/15/07, aaron wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This may sound like a stupid question: What causes the ocean to turn yellow\nat the beginning of Seven American Nights? The American on board becomes\nvery offended when Nadan points this out to him. Any help is greatly\nappreciated.\n\nAaron Singleton\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\nSoon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations,\ninexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food. Tire\nsalons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards\nreaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "aaron", "address": "aaronsingleton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-07-16T12:06:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights question", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks for everyone's input on this. I had always assumed that the yellow\ncolor came from oil or gasoline etc. leaking into the sea. The only thing\nthat, to me, disputes the pollution theory is the fact that the captain\ntells Nadan: \"It's his country...bleeding to death.\" That is why I assumed\ncrude oil \"bleeding\" from the earth. But, after doing a little research, I\nfound several sources that confirm the erosion theory. It seems that dirt\ncarried into the ocean from rivers turns the water yellow (in the worst\ncases) or green (not quite as bad). Again, thanks to all.\n\nAaron Singleton" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20070716124101.GA8496@localhost>", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-07-16T12:41:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights question", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On 0, aaron scribbled:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " Thanks for everyone's input on this. I had always assumed that the yellow\n color came from oil or gasoline etc. leaking into the sea. The only thing\n that, to me, disputes the pollution theory is the fact that the captain\n tells Nadan: \"It's his country...bleeding to death.\" That is why I\n assumed crude oil \"bleeding\" from the earth. But, after doing a little\n research, I found several sources that confirm the erosion theory. It\n seems that dirt carried into the ocean from rivers turns the water yellow\n (in the worst cases) or green (not quite as bad). Again, thanks to all.\n\n Aaron Singleton" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And the captain isn't kidding about the bleeding to death thing. I remember the phrase 'soil erosion' popping up a distressing number of times in Jared Diamond's ''Collapse'' (usually in reference to something like the Mayan collapse, or the Fertile Crescent becoming unfertile, or Australia's environment...) and other places. It's still a little odd in America though - I personally associate yellow effluvium with more China and the Yellow River and company." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern\nFDM GRU LRTS SIGDEV NACSI MEU/SOCPSAC PTT RFI ZL31 SIGDASYS TDM. SUKLO Schengen" } ] }, { "message_id": "<87tzs4s44f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu>", "from": { "name": "Russ Allbery", "address": "rra at stanford.edu" }, "date": "2007-07-16T16:30:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights question", "in_reply_to": "<20070716124101.GA8496@localhost>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Gwern Branwen writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "And the captain isn't kidding about the bleeding to death thing. I\nremember the phrase 'soil erosion' popping up a distressing number of\ntimes in Jared Diamond's ''Collapse'' (usually in reference to something\nlike the Mayan collapse, or the Fertile Crescent becoming unfertile, or\nAustralia's environment...) and other places. It's still a little odd in\nAmerica though - I personally associate yellow effluvium with more China\nand the Yellow River and company." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ah, but see the Dust Bowl. Soil erosion has happened before in the US on\na massive scale due to poor agricultural practices or use of land for\nthings it just can't sustain.\n\nSee http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/DustBowl/ for more information,\nand there are many other interesting pages via Google." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Russ Allbery (rra at stanford.edu) " } ] } ] }