OT: Lafferty recommendations

The Urth list — 11 messages, 10 voices, 21 Jul 2007
https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4887

Matthew Groves21 Jul 2007, 18:11
Wolfe seems to be a big admirer of R. A. Lafferty. ("Has Anyone Seen Junie Moon" from Starwater Strains has a character named Roy T. Laffer.) Are there any readers of Lafferty here who can recommend a good place for a Wolfe fan to start?
Bryan Alexander21 Jul 2007, 18:31

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The short stories. I liked the Nine Hundred Grandmothers collection, if you can find it.
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On 7/21/07, Matthew Groves <matthewalangroves at gmail.com> wrote: Wolfe seems to be a big admirer of R. A. Lafferty. ("Has Anyone Seen Junie Moon" from Starwater Strains has a character named Roy T. Laffer.) Are there any readers of Lafferty here who can recommend a good place for a Wolfe fan to start? _______________________________________________ Urth Mailing List
Gwern Branwen21 Jul 2007, 19:13

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Wolfe seems to be a big admirer of R. A. Lafferty. ("Has Anyone Seen Junie Moon" from Starwater Strains has a character named Roy T. Laffer.) Are there any readers of Lafferty here who can recommend a good place for a Wolfe fan to start?
Start with ''Fourth Mansions'' for a good almost-mainstream immersion in Lafferty-style paranoia and story telling, and follow it up with ''The Devil is Dead'' and ''The Annals of Klepsis'' (in that order; Klepsis is even more paranoid and hallucinatory than the previous two put together, so I wouldn't start with it).
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Roy C. Lackey22 Jul 2007, 00:20

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Matthew Groves wrote: Wolfe seems to be a big admirer of R. A. Lafferty. ("Has Anyone Seen Junie Moon" from Starwater Strains has a character named Roy T. Laffer.) Are there any readers of Lafferty here who can recommend a good place for a Wolfe fan to start?
Echoing what others have said: Lafferty is probably most consistently at his best in short stories, but it was The Devil is Dead that first hooked me. That's a fine book, as is its sequel, Archipelago. (Good luck trying to find it! <g>) There are even a couple of related short stories in the collections. -Roy
Dan'l Danehy-Oakes22 Jul 2007, 00:34

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i'm going to go against the herd here and recommend Lafferty's book Apocalypses, two short novels. The first, "The Three Armageddons of Enniscorthy Sweeney," is about why the Twentieth Century never really happened. The second, whose title I'm blanking on, is about an agent appointed to investigate the sudden appearance of a major landmass. They're both very, very funny.
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On 7/21/07, Matthew Groves <matthewalangroves at gmail.com> wrote: Wolfe seems to be a big admirer of R. A. Lafferty. ("Has Anyone Seen Junie Moon" from Starwater Strains has a character named Roy T. Laffer.) Are there any readers of Lafferty here who can recommend a good place for a Wolfe fan to start? _______________________________________________ Urth Mailing List
Roy C. Lackey22 Jul 2007, 04:03

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Dan'l wrote: i'm going to go against the herd here and recommend Lafferty's book Apocalypses, two short novels. The first, "The Three Armageddons of Enniscorthy Sweeney," is about why the Twentieth Century never really happened. The second, whose title I'm blanking on, is about an agent appointed to investigate the sudden appearance of a major landmass. They're both very, very funny.
Yes, they are. The other one is Where Have You Been, Sandaliotis? The Annals of Klepsis and The Reefs of Earth are also funny. -Roy
Andy Robertson23 Jul 2007, 12:32

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Matthew Groves writes:
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Wolfe seems to be a big admirer of R. A. Lafferty. ("Has Anyone Seen Junie Moon" from Starwater Strains has a character named Roy T. Laffer.) Are there any readers of Lafferty here who can recommend a good place for a Wolfe fan to start?
I recommend ARRIVE AT EASTERWINE, a lovely, funny, wise book about the Institute of Impure Science and their creaton, Epiktistes the Ktistec machine. Reads like it's a fix-up even if it isn't. hartshorn http://www.thenightland.co.uk 01273-488272 / 0777-214-9545
Craig Brewer23 Jul 2007, 14:00

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It's a bit hard to find, but the collection _Lafferty in Orbit_ (of his stories from Damon Knight's Orbit) is quite a good source for small doses of very strong Lafferty. There are some great little gems in there: "The Skinny People of Leptophlebo Street," "One at a Time," and "When All the Lands Pour Out Again," not to mention about 15 others. But since that's hard to find, I'd second those who said The Devil is Dead.
Fernando Q. Gouvêa23 Jul 2007, 14:17

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Actually, many of these are not hard to find at all. Wildside Press has print-on-demand editions of quite a few of Lafferty's books (including these two). See http://www.wildsidebooks.com/LAFFERTY-R-A_c_31-1.html They can also be ordered from Amazon.com. Fernando
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Craig Brewer wrote: It's a bit hard to find, but the collection _Lafferty in Orbit_ (of his stories from Damon Knight's Orbit) is quite a good source for small doses of very strong Lafferty. There are some great little gems in there: "The Skinny People of Leptophlebo Street," "One at a Time," and "When All the Lands Pour Out Again," not to mention about 15 others. But since that's hard to find, I'd second those who said The Devil is Dead. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 _______________________________________________
Adam Stephanides25 Jul 2007, 16:06

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Lafferty is one of my very favorite authors. I would start with Nine Hundred Grandmothers, his first story collection; it's his most new reader-friendly collection, and probably also his most consistent. Then probably Strange Doings, his next collection. Lafferty in Orbit is good too, but SD has the advantage that you can probably find it cheap by hunting in used book stores. (Ringing Changes, another collection, is also good.) I'll also second the recommendation for Apocalypses. Keep in mind that Lafferty is a very different writer from Wolfe. If I were going to describe him in one word, it would be "exuberant," as opposed to Wolfe's deliberateness. Conversely, Lafferty's work doesn't require the close reading that Wolfe's does. Also, Lafferty was even more conservative, politically and religiously, than Wolfe (he was a creationist, for example), though this is almost invisible in much of his fiction, including the collections I suggested. Lafferty's catalogue as a whole is in a sorry state. In the 80s and early 90s, there were several small presses publishing Lafferty. Then, for some reason, they all stopped at around the same time (leaving two series up in the air), and most of what they published is probably unobtainable now except at collector's prices, if at all. There are also a lot of good stories that were afaik never collected. Somebody needs to publish The Complete Stories of R. A. Lafferty. (I'd like to see all the novels in print, too, but that's probably asking for the moon.) --Adam
Matthew King26 Jul 2007, 14:43

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Here is the introduction to Lafferty that hooked me: http://greatsfandf.com/AUTHORS/RALafferty.php Lafferty is never "realistic." However ordinary his settings may seem when first we start one of his tales, we must remember that for a certainty they are surreal fantasies in the truest sense of those words. I think the most apt analogy for Lafferty's works is animated cartoons. Things in Lafferty tales happen at the breathless, breakneck pace--and with the madcap ad hoc paralogic--of a Bugs Bunny cartoon. We believe none of it because we are never for a second expected to believe any of it, any more than we are expected to "believe" what happens to Bugs and Elmer; we do not participate to behold "slices of life" but to behold madcap exaggerations and distortions of it. The single worst error a reader new to Lafferty can make is to think that a world Lafferty introduces in apparently ordinary science-fiction terms actually is (even by science-fiction standards) ordinary.

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