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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4892, "subject": "Neanderthals", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2007-08-01T16:06:46+00:00", "last": "2007-08-01T18:13:06+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<413103.24283.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2007-08-01T16:06:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Neanderthals", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Howdy,\n I seem to remember a thread about the evolution of Neanderthals a while back. Last week I attended a talk at the Bohemian Grove by Don Johanson, director of the School of Human Evolution and Social Change...and the guy who found \"Lucy\".. called \"Did your Wife Marry a Neanderthal\"\n It was fascinating and funny, and I took some notes and thought I'd pass on what the current thinking seems to be.\n Homosapiens and Neanderthals and The Asian man (Please excuse my lack of proper scientific terms, I'm a Bass player Jim, not a Doctor...) from Heidelberg Man in Africa. Left Africa @ 1.7 Million years ago. Neanderthals got caught in a European Ice Age and were Isolated @ 500,000 years where they Evolved into, well what they evolved into due to the climate etc.\n Home Sapiens came to Europe 40,000 years ago.Didn't seem to think they killed the N's, didn't need to. They were just more advanced with better tools and simply pushed the less adaptable N's out of the way until the only place left for them to go was Gibraltar, where they went extinct @25000 years ago (not sure on that #). The 2 species couldn't have mated, or if they did the offspring would be infertile.\n He said to expect a big news release this Fall, hinting it had to do with the leap from H Man to H Sapien. Current speculation being the \"Creative Explosion\" happened in South Africa @ 70,000 years ago, but new evidence may put it much earlier.\n The Q & A was interesting. Some of his Colleagues/Rivals in the field were there, and a point of contention to this theory is that if HS's came to Europe 40,000 years ago with dark skin and brown eyes, is that sufficient time to evolve into Blond Blue Eyed HS's by the time we have the first record of such individuals. He had no good answer.\n What else, N's were cannibals, buried their dead, had some tools and use of fire.\n Off to the UK for a week Ta Ta\n \n Stuart" } ] }, { "message_id": "<5801.72.171.0.141.1185985025.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2007-08-01T16:17:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Neanderthals", "in_reply_to": "<413103.24283.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Too bad Milford Wolpoff wasn't there to present the other view. I\nunderstand the sparks fly when those two are in the same room.\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Howdy,\n I seem to remember a thread about the evolution of Neanderthals a while\nback. Last week I attended a talk at the Bohemian Grove by Don Johanson,\ndirector of the School of Human Evolution and Social Change...and the\nguy who found \"Lucy\".. called \"Did your Wife Marry a Neanderthal\"\n It was fascinating and funny, and I took some notes and thought I'd pass\non what the current thinking seems to be.\n Homosapiens and Neanderthals and The Asian man (Please excuse my lack of\nproper scientific terms, I'm a Bass player Jim, not a Doctor...) from\nHeidelberg Man in Africa. Left Africa @ 1.7 Million years ago.\nNeanderthals got caught in a European Ice Age and were Isolated @\n500,000 years where they Evolved into, well what they evolved into due\nto the climate etc.\n Home Sapiens came to Europe 40,000 years ago.Didn't seem to think they\nkilled the N's, didn't need to. They were just more advanced with better\ntools and simply pushed the less adaptable N's out of the way until the\nonly place left for them to go was Gibraltar, where they went extinct\n@25000 years ago (not sure on that #). The 2 species couldn't have\nmated, or if they did the offspring would be infertile.\n He said to expect a big news release this Fall, hinting it had to do\nwith the leap from H Man to H Sapien. Current speculation being the\n\"Creative Explosion\" happened in South Africa @ 70,000 years ago, but\nnew evidence may put it much earlier.\n The Q & A was interesting. Some of his Colleagues/Rivals in the field\nwere there, and a point of contention to this theory is that if HS's\ncame to Europe 40,000 years ago with dark skin and brown eyes, is that\nsufficient time to evolve into Blond Blue Eyed HS's by the time we have\nthe first record of such individuals. He had no good answer.\n What else, N's were cannibals, buried their dead, had some tools and use\nof fire.\n Off to the UK for a week Ta Ta\n\n Stuart\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "JBarach at aol.com", "address": "jbarach at aol.com" }, "date": "2007-08-01T16:20:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Neanderthals", "in_reply_to": "<5801.72.171.0.141.1185985025.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "What do these e-mails about Neanderthals have to do with Wolfe?\n \nJohn" } ] }, { "message_id": "<15818.67.142.130.43.1185991986.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2007-08-01T18:13:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Neanderthals", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "What do these e-mails about Neanderthals have to do with Wolfe?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Wolfe's into deep history, and holds heretical views upon it.\n\nAt least one person[1] on this list is also into deep history, and holds\nheretical views upon it. In fact, this person is quite sure his heretical\nviews are correct, and is not by any means ashamed to say so.\n\nEvery now and again, we'll argue neanderthals. We did recently. It blew over.\n\n\n\n\n\n[1] A person who is very, very close to the current writer.\n\n." } ] } ] }