{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4945", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4945, "subject": "\"Memorare\" hardcover", "messages": 10, "voices": 7, "first": "2007-12-06T01:23:48+00:00", "last": "2007-12-08T16:08:17+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<39ed084f0712051723i21ca06fejc1e91cb376710b43@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Groves", "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-12-06T01:23:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) \"Memorare\" hardcover", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Is the List aware of this?:\n\nhttp://wyrmpublishing.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=12\n\nDoes \"Memorare\" remind anyone else of Niven-esque \"hard\" sf? (Will\nanyone else admit to having read Niven?)" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2921.67.142.130.23.1196908779.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2007-12-06T02:39:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) \"Memorare\" hardcover", "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0712051723i21ca06fejc1e91cb376710b43@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've read Niven.\n\nHe's a good SF writer, if not the best or second best prose stylist in the\nWorld. Nice guy, too.\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Is the List aware of this?:\n\nhttp://wyrmpublishing.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=12\n\nDoes \"Memorare\" remind anyone else of Niven-esque \"hard\" sf? (Will\nanyone else admit to having read Niven?)\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<97905837-CC97-4934-A1B6-C827CCFB2D84@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2007-12-06T04:13:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) \"Memorare\" hardcover", "in_reply_to": "<2921.67.142.130.23.1196908779.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:39 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nI've read Niven.\n\nHe's a good SF writer, if not the best or second best prose stylist \nin the\nWorld. Nice guy, too." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've also read a lot of Niven.\n\nI concur with the above, although I have no reason to know his nice- \nguy-or-notness.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<736205.66832.qm@web63903.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Recursive Loop", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2007-12-06T04:35:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) \"Memorare\" hardcover", "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0712051723i21ca06fejc1e91cb376710b43@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"(Will anyone else admit to having read Niven?)\"\n\nSure. Tons through the 80's. Known Space was one of my favorite haunts. Around the time of the\nthird RW novel and a few other things, I lost interest. But I'll go back and visit again someday.\n\nFPK3" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4758D574.8070806@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2007-12-07T05:09:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) \"Memorare\" hardcover", "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0712051723i21ca06fejc1e91cb376710b43@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Matthew Groves wrote:\nIs the List aware of this?:\n\nhttp://wyrmpublishing.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=12\n\nDoes \"Memorare\" remind anyone else of Niven-esque \"hard\" sf? (Will\nanyone else admit to having read Niven?)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sure thing. But, he's not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on such \na good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record \nunder the rug, for example." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<3207E7A2-4325-445B-A617-EB4361C994D2@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-12-07T18:22:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Hard SF Niven (was \"Memorare\" hardcover)", "in_reply_to": "<4758D574.8070806@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\n(Will\nanyone else admit to having read Niven?)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Sure thing. But, he's not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on \nsuch\na good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record\nunder the rug, for example." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Do you mean the Protector-breeder origin of humans?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "mfstraight at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-12-07T23:18:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) \"Memorare\" hardcover", "in_reply_to": "<4758D574.8070806@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Everything I know about Science I had to re-learn after having read\nNiven in my teens. :-)\n\nFun stuff, though.\n\nAnd yeah, Memorare's plot and setting both have the flavor of a\nNiven-era SF short story, if not Niven himself.\n\nRostrum" } ] }, { "message_id": "<39ed084f0712072200p36388869t8bbf5b2c4227c58c@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Groves", "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com" }, "date": "2007-12-08T06:00:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Hard SF Niven (was \"Memorare\" hardcover)", "in_reply_to": "<3207E7A2-4325-445B-A617-EB4361C994D2@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Dec 7, 2007 12:22 PM, Matthew King wrote:\nOn Dec 6, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "[Niven is] not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on\nsuch\na good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record\nunder the rug, for example." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Do you mean the Protector-breeder origin of humans?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I did have that reaction when I read Protector: If the breeders where\nhomo habilis, then why does homo habilis seem to share ancestory with\nother Terran species?\n\nHowever, from what I've read of Niven's, his greatest sin against\nscientific plausibility, in my opinion, is \"luck breeding.\"" } ] }, { "message_id": "<475ABFA0.3080001@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2007-12-08T16:00:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Hard SF Niven (was \"Memorare\" hardcover)", "in_reply_to": "<3207E7A2-4325-445B-A617-EB4361C994D2@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Matthew King wrote:\nOn Dec 6, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "(Will\nanyone else admit to having read Niven?)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Sure thing. But, he's not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on \nsuch\na good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record\nunder the rug, for example." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Do you mean the Protector-breeder origin of humans?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That in particular, yes." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<475AC171.8090200@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2007-12-08T16:08:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Hard SF Niven (was \"Memorare\" hardcover)", "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0712072200p36388869t8bbf5b2c4227c58c@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Matthew Groves wrote:\nOn Dec 7, 2007 12:22 PM, Matthew King wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "[Niven is] not truly a hard SF writer, though he puts on\nsuch\na good show that most people don't notice he's swept the fossil record\nunder the rug, for example." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Do you mean the Protector-breeder origin of humans?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I did have that reaction when I read Protector: If the breeders where\nhomo habilis, then why does homo habilis seem to share ancestory with\nother Terran species?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The shared ancestry among primates is explained by induced mutation, but \n no explanation is made to connect primates with the rest of earthly life." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "However, from what I've read of Niven's, his greatest sin against\nscientific plausibility, in my opinion, is \"luck breeding.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "To be sure, that part is metafictional one-upmanship rather than an \nintegral part of the plot. Psi powers were very popular among genre \nfiction at the time, and it's hard to top the power to control the \nauthor/editor/publisher." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] } ] }