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  "thread": {
    "id": 4957,
    "subject": "Typhon and the Whorl",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2007-12-17T20:56:56+00:00",
    "last": "2007-12-23T03:02:51+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<BLU109-W4678D5E696053778F4C11E92620@phx.gbl>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Ashley Crill",
        "address": "ash_crill at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2007-12-17T20:56:56+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Typhon and the Whorl",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "  Whatever the original design, I think Typhon wanted the Whorl to return \nto Earth after things calmed down after a few centuries to \"recolonize\" \nusing technical experts released from suspended animation to start fixing \nthings, millions of peons that worshipped him as a god to provide the labor \nand armies of chems to reestablish order. Then they could either revive the \noriginal Typhon or if he was lost Pas could download into a suitable body \nand reestablish his empire and glory.\n\nEvidently something went wrong with his plan when he was deposed by his \nchildren and the inhumani hijacked the ship and redirected it to Green/Blue."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "This is basically how I understand the Whorl. Typhon was hedging his bets, and using the Whorl as a resurrection scheme. He did intend to be downloaded into a human body at some point and the Silk embryo was his chosen body, hence Silk's great strength, charisma, and rapid healing powers. I'm not too sure that he intended a return to Earth however, perhaps he anticipated starting a new galactic empire from a suitable planet."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<6.2.1.2.1.20071222200212.03a214f0@pop.vippn.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan",
        "address": "autarch at vippn.com"
      },
      "date": "2007-12-23T03:02:51+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Typhon and the Whorl",
      "in_reply_to": "<BLU109-W4678D5E696053778F4C11E92620@phx.gbl>",
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      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 06:53 AM 12/21/2007, Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nI believe you meant Hierogrammates, not Hieros. The Hieros were the humans\nwho cruelly fashioned the Hierogrammates in another universe that collapsed.\nThe Hierogrammates were the only things that mankind had made that survived\nthat universe. Tzadkiel was a Hierogrammate. Yesod is where they reside. It\nis outside the universe of Briah, which is where Urth is located."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Yes. Sorry I was being lazy and abbreviating. I meant those who had FTL \ncapability."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Pedro wrote:\nThe answer is right here in this list. Its one of the few interviews in \nwhich memebers asked questions that Wolfe later answered:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Wow, maybe that's why I didn't remember it. He never does that! And now I \nsee why..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "<<<<From: m.driussi at genie.comSubject: (whorl) Train from WolfelandDate: \nSat, 14 Jun 97 21:15:00 GMT[Posted from WHORL, the mailing list for Gene \nWolfe's Book of the Long Sun]\n\n3. \"What was Typhon's purpose in lanunching the Whorl and was \ntheBlue/Green system the intended destination?\"  Knowing Typhon as I do,he \nprobably had at least half a dozen purposes; but certainly one ofthe chief \nmust have been self-aggrandizement -- to return human kindto the stars \nwould be a very great thing indeed.  Yes, the Blue-Greensystem was the \nintended destination.>>>>\n\n\nThere it is, clear as water."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Simple, straightforward and not very satisfying."
        }
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    }
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