# Typhon and the Whorl

*The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 17 Dec 2007*

<https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4957>

> Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright
> in each message remains with the person who wrote it.
> Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original
> archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than
> retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.

---

### Ashley Crill
*17 Dec 2007, 20:56*

>   Whatever the original design, I think Typhon wanted the Whorl to return 
> to Earth after things calmed down after a few centuries to "recolonize" 
> using technical experts released from suspended animation to start fixing 
> things, millions of peons that worshipped him as a god to provide the labor 
> and armies of chems to reestablish order. Then they could either revive the 
> original Typhon or if he was lost Pas could download into a suitable body 
> and reestablish his empire and glory.
> 
> Evidently something went wrong with his plan when he was deposed by his 
> children and the inhumani hijacked the ship and redirected it to Green/Blue.

This is basically how I understand the Whorl. Typhon was hedging his bets, and using the Whorl as a resurrection scheme. He did intend to be downloaded into a human body at some point and the Silk embryo was his chosen body, hence Silk's great strength, charisma, and rapid healing powers. I'm not too sure that he intended a return to Earth however, perhaps he anticipated starting a new galactic empire from a suitable planet.

---

### Dan
*23 Dec 2007, 03:02 · follows Ashley Crill*

> At 06:53 AM 12/21/2007, Roy C. Lackey wrote:
> I believe you meant Hierogrammates, not Hieros. The Hieros were the humans
> who cruelly fashioned the Hierogrammates in another universe that collapsed.
> The Hierogrammates were the only things that mankind had made that survived
> that universe. Tzadkiel was a Hierogrammate. Yesod is where they reside. It
> is outside the universe of Briah, which is where Urth is located.

Yes. Sorry I was being lazy and abbreviating. I meant those who had FTL 
capability.

> Pedro wrote:
> The answer is right here in this list. Its one of the few interviews in 
> which memebers asked questions that Wolfe later answered:

Wow, maybe that's why I didn't remember it. He never does that! And now I 
see why...

> <<<<From: m.driussi at genie.comSubject: (whorl) Train from WolfelandDate: 
> Sat, 14 Jun 97 21:15:00 GMT[Posted from WHORL, the mailing list for Gene 
> Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun]
> 
> 3. "What was Typhon's purpose in lanunching the Whorl and was 
> theBlue/Green system the intended destination?"  Knowing Typhon as I do,he 
> probably had at least half a dozen purposes; but certainly one ofthe chief 
> must have been self-aggrandizement -- to return human kindto the stars 
> would be a very great thing indeed.  Yes, the Blue-Greensystem was the 
> intended destination.>>>>
> 
> 
> There it is, clear as water.

Simple, straightforward and not very satisfying.

---
