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    "id": 4985,
    "subject": "Lexicon Second Edition mailing list",
    "messages": 15,
    "voices": 11,
    "first": "2008-02-25T19:10:01+00:00",
    "last": "2008-03-10T19:07:09+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<001e01c877e2$083d2bc0$a3ca5a42@rclackey.stic.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "2008-02-25T19:10:01+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Fw: Lexicon Second Edition mailing list",
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----"
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          "text": "From: Michael Andre-Driussi <mantis at siriusfiction.com>\nTo: Roy C. Lackey <rclackey at stic.net>\nDate: Sunday, February 24, 2008 11:32 PM\nSubject: Lexicon Second Edition mailing list\nHello there Roy,\n\nPeople have bugged me for this sort of thing, so I've finally got it \ngoing.  Please make an announcement for the list...\n\nPeople who want to have an email message as soon as the second \nedition of the Lexicon is available should visit the Sirius Fiction \nweb page now.  There is a new button and sign up thingie that should \ntake care of it.\n\nThanks in advance, Roy!\n\n=Michael="
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      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<47C34A6F.2090108@io.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeff Wilson",
        "address": "jwilson at io.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-02-25T23:08:31+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Fw: Lexicon Second Edition mailing list",
      "in_reply_to": "<001e01c877e2$083d2bc0$a3ca5a42@rclackey.stic.net>",
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          "text": "Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nFrom: Michael Andre-Driussi <mantis at siriusfiction.com>\nPeople who want to have an email message as soon as the second \nedition of the Lexicon is available should visit the Sirius Fiction \nweb page now.  There is a new button and sign up thingie that should \ntake care of it."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "For those who prefer reading detective stories to enacting them:\n\n\thttp://www.siriusfiction.com/"
        },
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          "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >"
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    {
      "message_id": "<373393.90975.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "don doggett",
        "address": "kingwukong at yahoo.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-02-25T23:20:08+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Fw: Lexicon Second Edition mailing list",
      "in_reply_to": "<47C34A6F.2090108@io.com>",
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          "text": "Hmmm. Sirius + Fiction + web page. Could it be\nsiriusfiction.com? Perhaps the answer is in\nmantis at siriusfiction.com?\nThanks Roy, and thanks to Mantis.\n\nDon"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Roy C. Lackey wrote:"
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "From: Michael Andre-Driussi\n<mantis at siriusfiction.com>\nPeople who want to have an email message as soon\nas the second \nedition of the Lexicon is available should visit\nthe Sirius Fiction \nweb page now.  There is a new button and sign up\nthingie that should \ntake care of it."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "--- Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> wrote:\nFor those who prefer reading detective stories to\nenacting them:\n\n\thttp://www.siriusfiction.com/\n\n-- \nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >\n_______________________________________________"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<C3E89DB0.680C%ishmael@drizzle.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "James Crossley",
        "address": "ishmael at drizzle.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-02-26T00:30:40+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Fw: Lexicon Second Edition mailing list",
      "in_reply_to": "<001e01c877e2$083d2bc0$a3ca5a42@rclackey.stic.net>",
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          "text": "Regardless of what the url is or who did or didn't provide it, this is\nexcellent news.  I already have the unbound update to the original lexicon,\nbut I'll be wanting the finished new version just to support all the great\nwork that went into the original (and the ongoing) project.\n\nThanks for the update.\n\nJames"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<47C4FD2D.7070002@io.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeff Wilson",
        "address": "jwilson at io.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-02-27T06:03:25+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Fw: Lexicon Second Edition mailing list",
      "in_reply_to": "<373393.90975.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>",
      "reply_link": "header",
      "blocks": [
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          "text": "don doggett wrote:\nHmmm. Sirius + Fiction + web page. Could it be\nsiriusfiction.com? Perhaps the answer is in\nmantis at siriusfiction.com?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Perhaps there are similar lacunae in the book, not as obvious?"
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          "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >"
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      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<47D1A293.7070605@io.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeff Wilson",
        "address": "jwilson at io.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-07T20:16:19+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Did I kill it?",
      "in_reply_to": "<47C4FD2D.7070002@io.com>",
      "reply_link": "header",
      "blocks": [
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          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Some of the list links are saying there's no list now. Did something \nhappen?  I can't get to the most recent archives as it is."
        },
        {
          "kind": "sig",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >"
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    {
      "message_id": "<1f7617370803071237i152a9d6ct45839e59721be0ef@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-07T20:37:30+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Did I kill it?",
      "in_reply_to": "<47D1A293.7070605@io.com>",
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          "text": "There is no list. I did not receive your note and you are not\nreading this reply."
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        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> wrote:\nSome of the list links are saying there's no list now. Did something\n happen?  I can't get to the most recent archives as it is.\n\n --\n Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n < http://www.io.com/~jwilson >\n _______________________________________________\n Urth Mailing List\n To post, write urth at urth.net\n Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net"
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          "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\n\nI once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile Island dressing in a\nrestaurant and, with great presence of mind, they brought Thousand\nIsland Dressing and a bottle of chili sauce. -- T. Pratchett"
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    {
      "message_id": "<9c6b022b0803071241t1912a519vb58d625919f0f51b@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Ranjit Bhatnagar",
        "address": "ranjit at moonmilk.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-07T20:41:19+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Did I kill it?",
      "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370803071237i152a9d6ct45839e59721be0ef@mail.gmail.com>",
      "reply_link": "header",
      "blocks": [
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          "text": "The hosting service (dreamhost) sent me a warning a few weeks ago that\nthey were going to move the service to a new machine, and that there\nwas a slight chance that things would break.  Things did break,\napparently, and I've been remiss in doing anything about it.  I just\ncontacted tech support and asked them to make things go again.\n\n- Ranjit"
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      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<20080307205008.GA153511@localhost>",
      "from": {
        "name": "gwern0 at gmail.com",
        "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-07T20:50:08+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Did I kill it?",
      "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370803071237i152a9d6ct45839e59721be0ef@mail.gmail.com>",
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      "blocks": [
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          "text": "On 2008.03.07 12:37:30 -0800, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com> scribbled 0.8K characters:"
        },
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "There is no list. I did not receive your note and you are not\nreading this reply.\n\nOn Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Some of the list links are saying there's no list now. Did something\n happen?  I can't get to the most recent archives as it is.\n\n --\n Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n < http://www.io.com/~jwilson >"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": " Urth Mailing List\n To post, write urth at urth.net\n Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "--\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "As I was walking down the stairs,\nI saw a list which wasn't there.\nI saw the list again today -\nHow I wish it'd just go away!"
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          "text": "gwern\nmega Cohiba Galil munitions M72750 Internet 20 UOP WASS Information"
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    {
      "message_id": "<212478.58333.qm@web63908.mail.re1.yahoo.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Recursive Loop",
        "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-07T20:56:55+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Did I kill it?",
      "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370803071237i152a9d6ct45839e59721be0ef@mail.gmail.com>",
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      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "\"There is no list. I did not receive your note and you are not\nreading this reply.\"\n\nThere is nothing to see here. These aren't the droids you are searching for. You can go about your\nbusiness. Move along!"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<3262.67.142.130.23.1204930103.squirrel@brunians.org>",
      "from": {
        "name": "brunians at brunians.org",
        "address": "brunians at brunians.org"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-07T22:48:23+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Did I kill it?",
      "in_reply_to": "<47D1A293.7070605@io.com>",
      "reply_link": "header",
      "blocks": [
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          "text": "Jeff Wilson writes:"
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        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Some of the list links are saying there's no list now. Did something\nhappen?  I can't get to the most recent archives as it is."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Did a large procession wave their torches while its head fell in the basket\nAnd is everybody dancing on the casket?\nNow it's over its dead and it hasn't\nDone anything that it wants or it's\nStill alive and there's nothing it wants to do.\n\n--apologies to TMBG"
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    {
      "message_id": "<4030.67.142.130.23.1204930157.squirrel@brunians.org>",
      "from": {
        "name": "brunians at brunians.org",
        "address": "brunians at brunians.org"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-07T22:49:17+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Did I kill it?",
      "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370803071237i152a9d6ct45839e59721be0ef@mail.gmail.com>",
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      "blocks": [
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          "text": "I have always been loyal to the Group of Seventeen!\n\n\n."
        },
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "There is no list. I did not receive your note and you are not\nreading this reply.\n\nOn Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Some of the list links are saying there's no list now. Did something\n happen?  I can't get to the most recent archives as it is.\n\n --\n Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n < http://www.io.com/~jwilson >\n _______________________________________________\n Urth Mailing List\n To post, write urth at urth.net\n Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "--\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\n\nI once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile Island dressing in a\nrestaurant and, with great presence of mind, they brought Thousand\nIsland Dressing and a bottle of chili sauce. -- T. Pratchett\n_______________________________________________"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<1f7617370803071626m32139511j24af0b371fd62e95@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-08T00:26:56+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Did I kill it?",
      "in_reply_to": "<4030.67.142.130.23.1204930157.squirrel@brunians.org>",
      "reply_link": "header",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:49 PM,  <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:\nI have always been loyal to the Group of Seventeen!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "We have always been at war with East Ascia."
        },
        {
          "kind": "sig",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\n\nI once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile Island dressing in a\nrestaurant and, with great presence of mind, they brought Thousand\nIsland Dressing and a bottle of chili sauce. -- T. Pratchett"
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      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<8CA50F4BA3DB4DF-F70-172E@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "stoneox17 at aol.com",
        "address": "stoneox17 at aol.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-10T18:36:02+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Some PF thoughts (spoilers)",
      "in_reply_to": "<4030.67.142.130.23.1204930157.squirrel@brunians.org>",
      "reply_link": "header",
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          "text": "Some questions, which I think answer each other.\nApologies if this has been discussed before, but I don't\nremember it.\n\nWho killed Valentin?\n\nThe obvious suspect is Lesage, who seems to be the only\nperson who really hated him.\n\nBut how did Lesage know where to find him?  And, in a\nrelated vein, what did Ignacio do to win Lesage's trust?\n\nIf the answers are what I think they are, this is really chilling.\n\nPeter"
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      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<44fb53d10803101207r3c3f12dbm13dbacbbd88300c0@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Matthew Keeley",
        "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-03-10T19:07:09+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Some PF thoughts (spoilers)",
      "in_reply_to": "<8CA50F4BA3DB4DF-F70-172E@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com>",
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          "text": "Good questions; I'd love to hear your answers.\n\nRe: Ignacio and Lesage: What evidence is there to suggest that Lesage ever\nmet \"Ignacio?\" It's been  Because I know some people have surmised that\nIgnacio/Chris and Lesage are the same person. It's been a while since I read\nthe book though, so my memory may be serving me poorly.\n\nAs for Valentin - I don't know - I wonder if he killed himself? Chris\nsuggests that possibility... Or perhaps Lesage revealed himself to Valentin\nas Chris and Valentin, seeing the truth, tried to kill his old tormentor?\nAnd then Chris kills Valentin in self-defense?\n\nAlso - do we have any more thoughts on what caused Chris to go back in time\nin the first place?\n\nAnd what about that \"Angel of Death\" that Chris says he sees above one of\nthe boats?\n\n-Matt"
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