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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5015, "subject": "How list works and questions to mailers", "messages": 60, "voices": 26, "first": "2008-05-10T23:14:58+00:00", "last": "2008-06-17T03:19:43+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Oliver Wakefield", "address": "radontrooper at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-10T23:14:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi\n \nIn my first email on this list my text trailed off the end of the page - is there anyway to keep the text within the window - sorry ive never used a mailing list before. Also, as this list seems to be the largest wolfe source on the net I was wondering who the contributers are. Congratulations to all involved by the way. I am just wondering which of you are sci-fi fans and which are general readers. Also where are you from? Im from the UK and ive only met one person whos read BOTN and this person someone who writes on sci fi. Is Wolfe bigger in the US, i'm imagining this list is primarily US?\n \nThanks Ollie W\n_________________________________________________________________\n\nAll new Live Search at Live.com\n\nhttp://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Pedro Pereira", "address": "domus_artemis at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-10T23:33:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "From: radontrooper at hotmail.comTo: urth at urth.netDate: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:14:58 +0100Subject: (urth) How list works and questions to mailers\n\n\n\nHi\n \nIn my first email on this list my text trailed off the end of the page - is there anyway to keep the text within the window - sorry ive never used a mailing list before. \n \nR: Sorry, can't help you there :(\n \n \n \nAlso, as this list seems to be the largest wolfe source on the net I was wondering who the contributers are. \n \nR: There's hundreds of registered users. But there's a few that tend to contribute more than others. I don't contribute much ;P\n \n \n \n \n \nCongratulations to all involved by the way. \n \nR: Thanks :)\n \n \n \n \n \n \nI am just wondering which of you are sci-fi fans and which are general readers. \n \nR: I'm a sci-fi fan and a general reader. I feel that I'm getting more and more fed up with sci-fi, since I feel that 99% of it is worthless. That leaves out some pearls of sci-fi literature, both isolated books and authors, of which Gene Wolfe is obviously one of them. \n \n \n \n \n \nAlso where are you from? \n \nR: Portugal, but I'm living in Finland now.\n \n \n \n \n \nIm from the UK and ive only met one person whos read BOTN and this person someone who writes on sci fi. Is Wolfe bigger in the US, i'm imagining this list is primarily US?\n \nR: I think the list is primarily US. I'm not sure if Gene is bigger in the US, but probably he is, but there's a lot of people here from out of the US.\n \n \n \n \nThanks Ollie W\n \nR: You're welcome :)\n \n \n \nPedro\n\n\n\nMiss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! " } ] }, { "message_id": "<482679BE.9000605@sbcglobal.net>", "from": { "name": "Charles Reed", "address": "jazzy_jeeves at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-05-11T04:44:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi Oliver. I'm from Texas. I've always gotten the impression that most \nof the people who post here are from the US, but that's certainly not a \nscientific sampling. My general reading preferences outside of Gene \nWolfe tend to lie in the fantasy genre rather than sci-fi: Tolkien, Le \nGuin, Robin Hobb, George Martin, Neil Gaiman. Although, to be perfectly \nhonest, my reading time has been very much curtailed over the last few \nyears due to family expansion. (We just brought our third -- and final \n-- child into the world about seven months ago.) I used to pretty \nregularly read 25-30 novels a year. These days it seems like I'm doing \nwell if I manage 4-5. Coinciding with that, I haven't been much a \nregular contributor lately, although I was a pretty active participant \nfor a good couple of years. I still try to keep up with the read the \nmailing list, though.\n\nCharles\n\nP.S. Don't know how to help you the text trailing off the page. I read \nthe Urth mailing list on my mail program (Thunderbird) and haven't \nexperienced that problem." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Oliver Wakefield wrote:\n\nHi\n\n \n\nIn my first email on this list my text trailed off the end of the page \n- is there anyway to keep the text within the window - sorry ive never \nused a mailing list before.\n\nAlso, as this list seems to be the largest wolfe source on the net I \nwas wondering who the contributers are. Congratulations to all \ninvolved by the way. I am just wondering which of you are sci-fi fans \nand which are general readers. Also where are you from? Im from the UK \nand ive only met one person whos read BOTN and this person someone who \nwrites on sci fi. Is Wolfe bigger in the US, i'm imagining this list \nis primarily US?\n\n \n\nThanks Ollie W\n\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMiss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your \nMobile! \n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<7326.67.142.130.15.1210481866.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2008-05-11T04:57:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<482679BE.9000605@sbcglobal.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Hi Oliver. I'm from Texas. I've always gotten the impression that most\nof the people who post here are from the US, but that's certainly not a\nscientific sampling." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It is reasonable that things should be thus, what with the US or its\nnorthern annex being home the vast majority of native speakers of English\nderived languages." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " My general reading preferences outside of Gene\nWolfe tend to lie in the fantasy genre rather than sci-fi: Tolkien, Le\nGuin, Robin Hobb, George Martin, Neil Gaiman." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Used to, with me. Recent decades been more history and biography. Also I\nenjoy modeling people: read everything they wrote and everything that\nanyone else ever wrote about them and see how accurate a model of the\nperson you can come up with. It's always interesting to do this with\nliving people.\n\nUh, I live outside a tiny mountain town in rural northern California.\n\n\n." } ] }, { "message_id": "<499E982E-CA10-428F-A42B-766D423C5090@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T05:07:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<482679BE.9000605@sbcglobal.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Whereabouts in Texas, Charles? I'm in Waco for law school, but I spend \na fair amount of time in Austin.\n\nLane" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 10, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Charles Reed wrote:\nHi Oliver. I'm from Texas. I've always gotten the impression that \nmost of the people who post here are from the US, but that's \ncertainly not a scientific sampling. My general reading preferences \noutside of Gene Wolfe tend to lie in the fantasy genre rather than \nsci-fi: Tolkien, Le Guin, Robin Hobb, George Martin, Neil Gaiman. \nAlthough, to be perfectly honest, my reading time has been very much \ncurtailed over the last few years due to family expansion. (We just \nbrought our third -- and final -- child into the world about seven \nmonths ago.) I used to pretty regularly read 25-30 novels a year. \nThese days it seems like I'm doing well if I manage 4-5. Coinciding \nwith that, I haven't been much a regular contributor lately, \nalthough I was a pretty active participant for a good couple of \nyears. I still try to keep up with the read the mailing list, though.\n\nCharles\n\nP.S. Don't know how to help you the text trailing off the page. I \nread the Urth mailing list on my mail program (Thunderbird) and \nhaven't experienced that problem.\n\n\n\nOliver Wakefield wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Hi\n\n\nIn my first email on this list my text trailed off the end of the \npage - is there anyway to keep the text within the window - sorry \nive never used a mailing list before.\n\nAlso, as this list seems to be the largest wolfe source on the net \nI was wondering who the contributers are. Congratulations to all \ninvolved by the way. I am just wondering which of you are sci-fi \nfans and which are general readers. Also where are you from? Im \nfrom the UK and ive only met one person whos read BOTN and this \nperson someone who writes on sci fi. Is Wolfe bigger in the US, i'm \nimagining this list is primarily US?\n\n\nThanks Ollie W\n\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMiss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your \nMobile! \n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<482684FB.2050904@sbcglobal.net>", "from": { "name": "Charles Reed", "address": "jazzy_jeeves at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-05-11T05:32:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<499E982E-CA10-428F-A42B-766D423C5090@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I grew up and went to school in Abilene (I almost went to Baylor, but \nchose to stay home and go to Hardin-Simmons instead -- and I've never \nregretted that decision for even a minute as HSU was a truly wonderful \nexperience for me), but have lived in and around the D/FW area for \nseveral years now.\n\nCharles" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Lane Haygood wrote:\nWhereabouts in Texas, Charles? I'm in Waco for law school, but I spend \na fair amount of time in Austin.\n\nLane" } ] }, { "message_id": "<001e01c8b331$dfc72980$4cce4a0c@rclackey.stic.net>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2008-05-11T06:40:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<482684FB.2050904@sbcglobal.net>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Welcome, Oliver!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Oliver Wakefield wrote:\nIn my first email on this list my text trailed off the end of the page -\nis there anyway to keep the text within the window - sorry ive never used a\nmailing list before.<<" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I believe that you are referring to how your post appears online; that the\ntext shows up as one continuous line, requiring the reader to scroll way off\nthe page to the right, which is how yours shows up. It makes it hard to\nread, too. If this is what you are referring to, I believe that the\nsolution is a setting somewhere within whatever e-mail client (program) you\nare using. If you can find the settings that govern the \"Send\"\ncharacteristics of your e-mail, you may find a setting that automatically\nwraps the lines at a chosen character limit. Mine is set for 76 characters,\nand I don't have the problem." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I am just wondering which of you are sci-fi fans and which are general\nreaders. Also where are you from? Im from the UK and ive only met one person\nwhos read BOTN and this person someone who writes on sci fi. Is Wolfe bigger\nin the US, i'm imagining this list is primarily US?<<" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I suppose most people here are from the U.S.; I'm from Texas. Wolfe has\nnever been a big-seller, even by genre standards. I read mostly sci-fi and\nfantasy, but not as much as I did thirty years ago, mostly because, as\nsomeone has already said, so much of what gets published these days is crap.\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "<381eca020805102345p44a03534l9960ae2763950f1a@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Martinus Scriblerus", "address": "martinus.scriblerus at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T06:45:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Oliver Wakefield\n wrote:\nHi\n\n\n\nIn my first email on this list my text trailed off the end of the page - is\nthere anyway to keep the text within the window - sorry ive never used a\nmailing list before.\n\nAlso, as this list seems to be the largest wolfe source on the net I was\nwondering who the contributers are. Congratulations to all involved by the\nway. I am just wondering which of you are sci-fi fans and which are general\nreaders. Also where are you from? Im from the UK and ive only met one person\nwhos read BOTN and this person someone who writes on sci fi. Is Wolfe bigger\nin the US, i'm imagining this list is primarily US?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm from the UK myself. General reader with a taste for science\nfiction and haunted by some of Wolfe's books - in particular \"Peace\",\n\"Free Live Free\", \"There are Doors\" and the Latro books. Read the\nSeverian books as they came out and some scenes are with me but I've\nnever got on to the following books." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Martinus Scriblerus scripsit ex 50? 21' N, 4?41' W" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4826A22C.10606@doubtfulpalace.com>", "from": { "name": "Tim Walters", "address": "walters at doubtfulpalace.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T07:37:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<381eca020805102345p44a03534l9960ae2763950f1a@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I am just wondering which of you are sci-fi fans and which are general\nreaders." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I would consider myself both, I think. I just looked over my \nLibraryThing database and the last 100 books I read were almost equally \nsplit between SF/F and non-.\n\nI keep a list of my favorite SF/F books here if anyone's interested:\n\nhttp://doubtfulpalace.com/mustread.html" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Also where are you from?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "San Francisco, California, USA." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Tim Walters | The Doubtful Palace | http://doubtfulpalace.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10805110336x6774a5fat57a7ab16e4da182b@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T10:36:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<4826A22C.10606@doubtfulpalace.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm from the Boston area, though I've been studying in Dublin for the past\nyear (going home in a little more than a week).\n\nI used to be very much a sci-fi / fantasy reader, but for the past few years\nI've been diversifying a lot. So this year I've been reading lots of\n\"mainstream\" lit, a good deal of Patrick O'Brian, and a lot of mysteries.\nWolfe is one of the few sci-fi authors I still read with any deal of\nregularity.\n\nI can't say I know any other Wolfe readers in real life, though I'm always\ntrying to make converts. I just gave a copy of The Book of the New Sun to a\nfriend here, so let's hope that there will soon be another Wolfe reader in\nDublin...\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<381eca020805110353r5173521xcb41eedaeae8e4e1@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Martinus Scriblerus", "address": "martinus.scriblerus at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T10:53:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10805110336x6774a5fat57a7ab16e4da182b@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Matthew Keeley\n wrote:\nI used to be very much a sci-fi / fantasy reader, but for the past few years\nI've been diversifying a lot. So this year I've been reading lots of\n\"mainstream\" lit, a good deal of Patrick O'Brian, and a lot of mysteries.\nWolfe is one of the few sci-fi authors I still read with any deal of\nregularity." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I know of several other Patrick O'Brian enthusiasts who also read Gene\nWolfe. Both writers of rich and thought-provoking prose. How do you\nfind the description of Boston in \"The Fortune of War\"?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Martinus Scriblerus scripsit ex 50? 21' N, 4?41' W" } ] }, { "message_id": "<917407.10794.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-05-11T11:23:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10805110336x6774a5fat57a7ab16e4da182b@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I live in San Francisco, although I travel a great deal being a musician, it gives me plenty of time to read. I was turned on the Wolfe by my brother who is a professor at Washington, and know a few other Wolfe readers...\nI just turned on my band mate Joe Satriani to Wolfe, and he's enjoying it, but doesn't quite know what he's in for yet...\nI love Wolfe, but also enjoy guilty trash reading pleasure when i travel and have no qualms about leaving the book in the seat pocket in front of me..\n\nMatthew Keeley wrote: I'm from the Boston area, though I've been studying in Dublin for the past year (going home in a little more than a week).\n\nI used to be very much a sci-fi / fantasy reader, but for the past few years I've been diversifying a lot. So this year I've been reading lots of \"mainstream\" lit, a good deal of Patrick O'Brian, and a lot of mysteries. Wolfe is one of the few sci-fi authors I still read with any deal of regularity.\n \nI can't say I know any other Wolfe readers in real life, though I'm always trying to make converts. I just gave a copy of The Book of the New Sun to a friend here, so let's hope that there will soon be another Wolfe reader in Dublin...\n \n-Matt\n\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10805110607n4d31faax5cdea52ef7163bf3@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T13:07:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<381eca020805110353r5173521xcb41eedaeae8e4e1@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Martinus Scriblerus <\nmartinus.scriblerus at gmail.com> wrote:\n\nI know of several other Patrick O'Brian enthusiasts who also read Gene\nWolfe. Both writers of rich and thought-provoking prose. How do you\nfind the description of Boston in \"The Fortune of War\"?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Fortune of War is actually the last O'Brian book I read. I'm tempted to\nstart in on The Surgeon's Mate tonight, but I somehow think studying is a\nwiser choice.\n\nObviously Boston has changed a lot since Jack and Stephen were there, but it\nwas neat to read about them going to places I'm familiar with - though I've\nnever had quite as \"exciting\" a time as Stephen did, what with all those\nshady Frenchmen...\n\nWhen I'm back in Boston, I'm planning to get some friends together to go\nvisit the U.S.S. Constitution, which is still docked in Boston.\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T15:56:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<917407.10794.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "St. Louis.\n\nOmnivorous reader. Perhaps my home territory is SF; it certainly \nwhere I started and, really, where I generally look first when I'm in \na bookstore. If I had to pick one book and one album to be stranded \non a desert island with, they'd be Thomas Pynchon's _Gravity's \nRainbow_ and Tom Waits' _Small Change_.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<54910.14551.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T16:06:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) FW: Re: How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "----- Original Message -----\nSubject: Re: (urth) How list works and questions to mailers\nDate: Sun, 11 May 2008 16:03:59\nFrom: Marc Aramini \nTo: matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com \n\nWhen I was younger I loved zelazny and moorcock and other fantasy, but now I prefer stuff like faulkner and dostoevsky and mishima. I live in las vegas, usually, but now I travel. for a while I was teaching, then working in a bank. I married a trapeeze artist and juggler a few months ago and now I find circus locations for her father and am working on my handstands and balancing for my own act." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "David Duffy", "address": "david.duffy at qimr.edu.au" }, "date": "2008-05-11T21:24:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, 11 May 2008, Oliver Wakefield wrote:\n\nHi\n\nAlso where are you from? Im from the UK and ive only met one person whos \nread BOTN and this person someone who writes on sci fi. Is Wolfe bigger \nin the US, i'm imagining this list is primarily US?\n\nThanks Ollie W" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi, I'm writing from Australia, and there used to be at least one other \nlist contributor from Sydney, IIRC. Here, at least, every new Wolfe novel \nturns up in our local library, often with more than one copy, so I think \nhe's now seen as \"worthwhile\". I read all flavours of book but still \nlove S(pec)F -- currently rereading Elizabeth Hand's _Winterlong_, a great \nbook greatly influenced by _New Sun_ (set in the City of Trees aka \nWashington DC after the Second Ascension, full of Librarians, Botanists \nand tribadists ;)), and Peter Watts _Blindsight_ (which also I guess has \nWolfean themes -- vampires, cerebral hemispherectomy)." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "| David Duffy (MBBS PhD) ,-_|\\\n| email: davidD at qimr.edu.au ph: INT+61+7+3362-0217 fax: -0101 / *\n| Epidemiology Unit, Queensland Institute of Medical Research \\_,-._/\n| 300 Herston Rd, Brisbane, Queensland 4029, Australia GPG 4D0B994A v" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Oliver Wakefield", "address": "radontrooper at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T21:32:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks alot for the input guys. From what your saying it seems Wolfe has always been a bit of a curiosity. It has vexed me no end trying to work out why, Ive never read a better book and I have read quite a few. However I did lend the shadow of the torturer to a friend and he couldnt get past a few pages. It is a slow read I suppose but the story even at the outer level was exciting to me. I can't help but think much of why Wolfe doesn't sell. The UK edition has a cover which advertiises a pulply epic fantasy rather that what BOTN is.\n \nAbout myself - I'm in the first year on a degree doing war studies (miliitary history mainly) at the University of Birmingham. I live in Cornwall when not at uni. My reading tastes are relatively wide but I enjoy fantasy (though the majority as you say is rubbish) and am just breaching sci-fi. Faviourites include - China Mieville (don't know if hes known in the US), Pullman when I was younger, Starship Troopers, The Forever War, I am Legend, The Dark Tower. I have only yet read BOTN and a part of Urth of the New Sun.\n_________________________________________________________________\n\nAll new Live Search at Live.com\n\nhttp://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/" } ] }, { "message_id": "<39ed084f0805111507u7f6ca081k9b29ab52215907ea@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Groves", "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T22:07:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Adam,\n\nJust had to say hello to a fellow St. Louisan. \"Where'd you go to\nhigh school?\" and all that. Go Cards.\n\nI became a sf fan in high school, with Robert A. Heinlein. I credit\nhis influence for my increasingly libertarian leanings. Since high\nschool there has been a long time when I didn't read any fantasy or\nsf. Then I discovered Wolfe quite by accident and became a devoted\nfan. It's a shame he isn't better known, but he's an ambitious writer\nand demands a great deal from the reader.\n\nBest,\nMatt" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/11/08, Adam Thornton wrote:\nSt. Louis." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2008-05-11T22:58:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0805111507u7f6ca081k9b29ab52215907ea@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 11, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Matthew Groves wrote:\nJust had to say hello to a fellow St. Louisan. \"Where'd you go to\nhigh school?\" and all that. Go Cards.\n\nI became a sf fan in high school, with Robert A. Heinlein. I credit\nhis influence for my increasingly libertarian leanings. Since high\nschool there has been a long time when I didn't read any fantasy or\nsf. Then I discovered Wolfe quite by accident and became a devoted\nfan. It's a shame he isn't better known, but he's an ambitious writer\nand demands a great deal from the reader." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, I grew up outside of Atlanta. So \"Westminster\" won't help you \nmuch, I'm afraid. I only moved to St. Louis in 2000. Do you still \nlive here?\n\nI grew up on Heinlein too. Libertarianism didn't stick, but the idea \nthat a person *ought* to be competent at a broad range of things \ncertainly did.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4827F0D6.2040103@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dave Tallman", "address": "davetallman at msn.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T07:25:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm a computer programmer from Santa Fe, New Mexico in my early 50's who \njust recently got back into Wolfe books after a gap of many years. When \nI was cleaning out my old books in preparation for a move, I found \nseveral books I had never read, including \"Free Live Free\" and \"PEACE.\" \nAfter reading them I went looking for intelligent Wolfe discussion on \nthe web; I found this list and the WolfeWiki.\n\nI don't have a lot of time for reading these days; I have two-year-old \ntwin sons. I'm making time for more Wolfe books, anyway. Right now I'm \nreading IODDAOSAOS and sometime soon I'll read \"The Devil in a Forest.\"" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk" }, "date": "2008-05-12T07:29:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<381eca020805110353r5173521xcb41eedaeae8e4e1@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Martinus Scriblerus writes: " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I know of several other Patrick O'Brian enthusiasts who also read Gene\nWolfe. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Now you know another \n\n - Andy R \n\n\nhttp://www.thenightland.co.uk \n\n01273-488272 / 0777-214-9545 " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Oliver Wakefield", "address": "radontrooper at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T09:03:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"I hear what you are saying about the lack of Wolfe content online. When I first started typing \"Gene Wolfe\" into the Google search box it was a little disappointing at first. Truthfully though, there really is a lot of content out there (and a lot that used to be around but is lost) it's just scattered about in little pieces. I ended up starting my own Wolfe Fan Site just so I could compile all the different Gene Wolfe sources I found online over the past few years. Check out http://hoofandhide.wordpress.com. You can search for content via keywords (powered by Magnolia) and I recently put up a gallery of book covers (powered by Flickr). Maybe you'll find it helpful when trying to dig up more info on Gene. Ryan B\"\n \nExcellent site which I believe ive come across before. The Japanese cover made me chuckle, I wonder what Wolfe thought of it when he saw it, not quite how I envisioned Severian but I like the background stained glass. My one critisism of Wolfe's books are their covers (not his fault I know). The only one I truly like is the Urth of the New Sun one. Just a Sun on a red background. The UK editions are very gaudy and make Wolfe books look like they are sword and sorcery. An intellectual reader is going to be turned off by the cover. A light fantasy reader is going to get a book that is nothing like what they expected.\n Its true theres alot of fan sites on Wolfe it just seems he hasn't punctured the general scifi/fantasy readership. He doesn't even feature on some top 100 lists. You always have a few people saying hes brilliant at the comments a the bottom. Many have never heard of him.\n Being a bit of a fan of critical reviews by newspapers I was searching through the broadsheet sites for articles on Wolfe but there are very meager pickings. However the covers of my books show he got a very favourable reaction from the press. I suppose online sites don't keep a big back record.\n Another question to everyone. How do you get to these conventions. The US is a huge place so do you drive or fly. \n \n \n_________________________________________________________________\n\nAll new Live Search at Live.com\n\nhttp://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/" } ] }, { "message_id": "<883158.65554.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-05-12T09:20:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Someone mentioned China Mieville and I read and liked him as well. I was ( am ) a huge PKD fan and collector. I also enjoy W Gibson (Pattern Recognition was awesome...Spook Country not so much...Paul Auster (recent books a bit of a dissapointment)...some Neal Stephanson...and an occasional Dan Simmons for travel.trash reading.\nNone of these really match the depth of GW, but I read read read...\n\nThoughts???\n\nOliver Wakefield wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } \"I hear what you are saying about the lack of Wolfe content online. \nWhen I first started typing \"Gene Wolfe\" into the Google search box it \nwas a little disappointing at first. Truthfully though, there really \nis a lot of content out there (and a lot that used to be around but is \nlost) it's just scattered about in little pieces. I ended up starting \nmy own Wolfe Fan Site just so I could compile all the different Gene \nWolfe sources I found online over the past few years. Check out http://hoofandhide.wordpress.com. You can search for content via keywords (powered by Magnolia) and I recently put up a gallery of book covers (powered by Flickr). Maybe you'll find it helpful when trying to dig up more info on Gene. Ryan B\"\n \n Excellent site which I believe ive come across before. The Japanese cover made me chuckle, I wonder what Wolfe thought of it when he saw it, not quite how I envisioned Severian but I like the background stained glass. My one critisism of Wolfe's books are their covers (not his fault I know). The only one I truly like is the Urth of the New Sun one. Just a Sun on a red background. The UK editions are very gaudy and make Wolfe books look like they are sword and sorcery. An intellectual reader is going to be turned off by the cover. A light fantasy reader is going to get a book that is nothing like what they expected.\n Its true theres alot of fan sites on Wolfe it just seems he hasn't punctured the general scifi/fantasy readership. He doesn't even feature on some top 100 lists. You always have a few people saying hes brilliant at the comments a the bottom. Many have never heard of him.\n Being a bit of a fan of critical reviews by newspapers I was searching through the broadsheet sites for articles on Wolfe but there are very meager pickings. However the covers of my books show he got a very favourable reaction from the press. I suppose online sites don't keep a big back record.\n Another question to everyone. How do you get to these conventions. The US is a huge place so do you drive or fly. \n \n \n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4A5759E6-4B58-4C7E-8FD6-F106F7F90ADD@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T13:44:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<883158.65554.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 4:20 AM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nSomeone mentioned China Mieville and I read and liked him as well. I \nwas ( am ) a huge PKD fan and collector." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The album title sorta gives that away, eh?\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<195888.40317.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-05-12T13:50:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<4A5759E6-4B58-4C7E-8FD6-F106F7F90ADD@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "der...pretty transparent eh?\n\nI think I'd need a few more years of Composition classes to do GW justice....but you never know...\n\nHow about \"Gojiro\"? can't remember the author, but don't let the title fool ya...\n\nStuart\nAdam Thornton wrote: " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 4:20 AM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nSomeone mentioned China Mieville and I read and liked him as well. I \nwas ( am ) a huge PKD fan and collector." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The album title sorta gives that away, eh?\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<8CA109F4-D63B-457A-B791-376BE2CA45E9@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T13:57:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<195888.40317.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nHow about \"Gojiro\"? can't remember the author, but don't let the \ntitle fool ya..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "What, Blue “yster Cult” The song *is* pretty much the last word in \nPaeans To Giant Lizards.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<13788.67.142.130.48.1210601052.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2008-05-12T14:04:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<8CA109F4-D63B-457A-B791-376BE2CA45E9@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Stuart Hamm wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "How about \"Gojiro\"? can't remember the author, but don't let the\ntitle fool ya..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "What, Blue “yster Cult” The song *is* pretty much the last word in\nPaeans To Giant Lizards." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Michael Moorcock wrote a bunch of lyrics for them and also contributed\nsome bass lines, I believe.\n\n\n." } ] }, { "message_id": "<244229.85282.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-05-12T14:38:09+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<13788.67.142.130.48.1210601052.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Certainly delightful to see some humour (I'm in the UK right now...) on the list..\nActually, \"Gojiro\" is a novel by...Mark Jacobson (OK, I googled it) and it's pretty good.\n\nIf I mentioned my affection for asian cinema in general and some of the last Godzilla movies NO-ONE on this list would take me seriously...but it's nice to have fun once in a while!\n\nStuart" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "brunians at brunians.org wrote: > On May 12, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nHow about \"Gojiro\"? can't remember the author, but don't let the\ntitle fool ya..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "What, Blue “yster Cult” The song *is* pretty much the last word in\nPaeans To Giant Lizards." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Michael Moorcock wrote a bunch of lyrics for them and also contributed\nsome bass lines, I believe.\n\n\n." } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10805120739j61829ac8w23e266a89a0813fe@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T14:39:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<13788.67.142.130.48.1210601052.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:04 PM, wrote:\nOn May 12, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Stuart Hamm wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "How about \"Gojiro\"? can't remember the author, but don't let the\ntitle fool ya..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "What, Blue “yster Cult” The song *is* pretty much the last word in\nPaeans To Giant Lizards." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Michael Moorcock wrote a bunch of lyrics for them and also contributed\nsome bass lines, I believe." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Moorcock wrote \"Black Blade,\" \"Veteran of the Psychic Wars,\" and one other\nsong for BOC. I used to be a pretty big Moorcock fan, but then I discovered\nWolfe, who is so many times better. I remember someone on this list once\nexplained why they disliked Moorcock, and I found I agreed completely.\n\nHere it is (from Andy Robertson):\nhttp://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0304/3231.txt.shtml\n\nI like Moorcock as a person; he seems to be a very nice guy, judging from\nthe way he interacts with fans on his website. Someday I'll read more of his\nbooks, but he's not Wofe.\n\n As for \"Gojiro,\" do you mean \"Gojira?\" Because that's the title of the\noriginal Japanese Godzilla film (It's also the title for the US release of\nthe original Japanese cut, which is a much superior film to the hacked-up\n1950s US version of the movie).\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10805120740yfe3e4f5wf48d9ba6901d0d97@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T14:40:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<244229.85282.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nCertainly delightful to see some humour (I'm in the UK right now...) on\nthe list..\nActually, \"Gojiro\" is a novel by...Mark Jacobson (OK, I googled it) and\nit's pretty good." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I guess I was wrong on Gojiro.\n\nBut I would take you seriously on affection for the Godzilla movies. Haven't\nseen all the recent ones, but I think we share some of the same vices.\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<257ABDFC-ABBC-4B01-95ED-F2D8320F43AD@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T15:24:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10805120739j61829ac8w23e266a89a0813fe@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Matthew Keeley wrote:\nMoorcock wrote \"Black Blade,\" \"Veteran of the Psychic Wars,\" and one \nother song for BOC. I used to be a pretty big Moorcock fan, but then \nI discovered Wolfe, who is so many times better. I remember someone \non this list once explained why they disliked Moorcock, and I found \nI agreed completely." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There is that.\n\nAlthough one could argue that \"Rape and Forgiveness\" is absolutely in \nthe Mervyn Peake tradition.\n\nThe thing I think is useful to remember about Moorcock is that he \nrepresents an alternative theme in British fantasy; effectively, he's \nchampioning the cause of Peake over Tolkien. This has, of course, \nbeen a fairly doomed battle, both in terms of sales popularity of the \nrespective authors and in terms of their influence on future \ngenerations of writers. And if you haven't read the Gormenghast \nbooks...they're worth the time, at least _Titus Groan_ and \n_Gormenghast_. _Titus Alone_ is less clearly terrific, although it's \ncertainly got its moments. The PBS miniseries thereof, also, totally \nkicks ass and takes names.\n\nThen it's complicated by the fact that Moorcock has spawned his own \nset of prot?g’s. Among them I count M. John Harrison and China \nMi?ville. Harrison...well, the *first* time you encounter the \npsychopathic dwarf and the lacquered horse's skull with pomegranates \nfor eyes, it's really cool. The seventh time, not so much. That \nsaid, I had a *great* time reading both _Light_ and _Nova Swing_. \nMi?ville I adore, although I have a possibly-uncomfortable feeling \nthat Bas-Lag is the Discworld done as steampunk (not that the \nDiscworld itself hasn't gotten there recently), and that the whole \nthing *may* just be an extremely artful retelling of his group's D&D \nadventures (_Iron Council_, in particular, gave me that feeling).\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Knight", "address": "jacobeiserman at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T15:27:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10805120739j61829ac8w23e266a89a0813fe@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think I'm the first Canadian to chime in here. I'm 25, I teach music and\nEnglish in a high school in Winnipeg, and I first read the Severian books\nabout ten years ago when the Science Fiction Book Club was offering them as\nan omnibus. I read it all, enjoyed it and found it pretty confusing. Then\nabout three years ago I saw the Short Sun books in the discount bin at my\nlocal bookstore. Bought those, read them, went after the rest of the Sun\nbooks, then started branching out to Wolfe's other works.\n\nI have managed to get my brother to read the New Sun series as well as Fifth\nHead of Cerberus. I signed up to this list mostly because I'm not smart\nenough to decipher Wolfe on my own (sad, but true). I believe it was\n\"Tracking Song\" that finally made me seek outside help.\n\nIs anyone else noticing that there aren't a lot of women on this list?\n\nMatt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10805120923x24388ae3l33cd29c0be680c79@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T16:23:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<257ABDFC-ABBC-4B01-95ED-F2D8320F43AD@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Adam Thornton wrote:\n\n\nThe thing I think is useful to remember about Moorcock is that he\nrepresents an alternative theme in British fantasy; effectively, he's\nchampioning the cause of Peake over Tolkien. This has, of course, been a\nfairly doomed battle, both in terms of sales popularity of the respective\nauthors and in terms of their influence on future generations of writers.\n And if you haven't read the Gormenghast books...they're worth the time, at\nleast _Titus Groan_ and _Gormenghast_. _Titus Alone_ is less clearly\nterrific, although it's certainly got its moments. The PBS miniseries\nthereof, also, totally kicks ass and takes names." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Moorcock's constant praise of Peake made me want to read him - I have the\none volume edition of the Gormenghast books at home, and I hope to get to\nthem this summer." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Then it's complicated by the fact that Moorcock has spawned his own set of\nprot?g’s. Among them I count M. John Harrison and China Mi?ville.\n Harrison...well, the *first* time you encounter the psychopathic dwarf and\nthe lacquered horse's skull with pomegranates for eyes, it's really cool.\n The seventh time, not so much. That said, I had a *great* time reading\nboth _Light_ and _Nova Swing_. Mi?ville I adore, although I have a\npossibly-uncomfortable feeling that Bas-Lag is the Discworld done as\nsteampunk (not that the Discworld itself hasn't gotten there recently), and\nthat the whole thing *may* just be an extremely artful retelling of his\ngroup's D&D adventures (_Iron Council_, in particular, gave me that\nfeeling).\n\nAdam" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've been meaning to read Harrison, especially the Viriconium books. Nova\nSwing looks good too - the UK edition has this great sci-fi / noir cover\nthat makes me really want to read it. And I have one of CM's books at home.\nActually, I read an interview with him where he talks about Wolfe as a major\ninfluence on his writing. \"Gene Wolfe is God,\" I believe he put it.\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370805120935w4481cf4g3655c6fd2769cd3@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T16:35:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Oliver Wakefield\n wrote:\nAlso, as this list seems to be the largest wolfe source on the net I was\nwondering who the contributers are. Congratulations to all involved by the\nway. I am just wondering which of you are sci-fi fans and which are general\nreaders. Also where are you from? Im from the UK and ive only met one person\nwhos read BOTN and this person someone who writes on sci fi. Is Wolfe bigger\nin the US, i'm imagining this list is primarily US?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Not as much of a contributor as I used to be but ...\n\nSF fan, definitely, but I also read a lot out of genre.\n\nWhere I'm from: Originally, New York, but I've lived in Northern California all\nmy teen and adult life.\n\nWho I am: I hate that question. A soon-to-be 50 year old tech writer, with\nsome occasional fiction published; father of two and husband of one; sharing\nmy home with three cats and one Rottweler; a loyal friend; a Catholic; an\namateur philosopher of sorts; a maker of lists." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\n\nI once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile Island dressing in a\nrestaurant and, with great presence of mind, they brought Thousand\nIsland Dressing and a bottle of chili sauce. -- T. Pratchett" } ] }, { "message_id": "<51392.198.37.34.2.1210614163.squirrel@www.doubtfulpalace.com>", "from": { "name": "Tim Walters", "address": "walters at doubtfulpalace.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T17:42:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<257ABDFC-ABBC-4B01-95ED-F2D8320F43AD@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Moorcock is wildly uneven, but his best books (MOTHER LONDON and GLORIANA)\nare very much worth reading. I would also add BETWEEN THE WARS (the\nfour-volume novel beginning with BYZANTIUM ENDURES), with the caveat that\nit's quite long, takes the unreliable/unlikeable narrator technique about\nas far as it can go, and won't appeal to everyone.\n\nI also recommend Paul Park, Kelly Link, and Robert Aickman, who share many\nof Wolfe's best qualities, and John Crowley, who isn't much like Wolfe but\nis equally good." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk" }, "date": "2008-05-12T19:09:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<51392.198.37.34.2.1210614163.squirrel@www.doubtfulpalace.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Tim Walters writes: " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I also recommend Paul Park, Kelly Link, and Robert Aickman, who share many\nof Wolfe's best qualities, and John Crowley, who isn't much like Wolfe but\nis equally good. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And the sainted R A Lafferty \n\n hartshorn " } ] }, { "message_id": "<39ed084f0805121210h687d99c3tff3b7f3737a5f45e@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Groves", "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T19:10:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10805120923x24388ae3l33cd29c0be680c79@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Matthew Keeley\n wrote:\n\nMi?ville I adore, although I have a\npossibly-uncomfortable feeling that Bas-Lag is the Discworld done as\nsteampunk (not that the Discworld itself hasn't gotten there recently), and\nthat the whole thing *may* just be an extremely artful retelling of his\ngroup's D&D adventures (_Iron Council_, in particular, gave me that\nfeeling)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Interesting. Iron Council gave me the feeling that I was reading a\nsteaming pile of poo." } ] }, { "message_id": "<5027.67.142.130.15.1210624545.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2008-05-12T20:35:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0805121210h687d99c3tff3b7f3737a5f45e@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I did not like Iron Council and it has left me with a prejudice against\nMieville.\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Matthew Keeley\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Mi?ville I adore, although I have a\npossibly-uncomfortable feeling that Bas-Lag is the Discworld done as\nsteampunk (not that the Discworld itself hasn't gotten there recently),\nand\nthat the whole thing *may* just be an extremely artful retelling of his\ngroup's D&D adventures (_Iron Council_, in particular, gave me that\nfeeling)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Interesting. Iron Council gave me the feeling that I was reading a\nsteaming pile of poo.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<17036.16129.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Patrick Pottorff", "address": "happyguy99993 at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T20:36:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<5027.67.142.130.15.1210624545.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"I think I'm the first Canadian to chime in here. I'm 25, I teach music and\nEnglish in a high school in Winnipeg, and I first read the Severian books\nabout ten years ago when the Science Fiction Book Club was offering them as\nan omnibus. I read it all, enjoyed it and found it pretty confusing. Then\nabout three years ago I saw the Short Sun books in the discount bin at my\nlocal bookstore. Bought those, read them, went after the rest of the Sun\nbooks, then started branching out to Wolfe's other works." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I have managed to get my brother to read the New Sun series as well as Fifth\nHead of Cerberus. I signed up to this list mostly because I'm not smart\nenough to decipher Wolfe on my own (sad, but true). I believe it was\n\"Tracking Song\" that finally made me seek outside help." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Is anyone else noticing that there aren't a lot of women on this list?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Matt\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't ever reply to anything on this list, but I assure you, I have been reading it. Matt, probably anyone is smart enough to decipher Wolfe, but it takes too damned long trying to figure it out. Which is why I also signed onto to this list. I started reading Wolfe about two years ago (I was fourteen), and before then I was very into Heinlein, Zelazny, and Clarke, but Heinlein more than any of the others. I love his writing style. \nHowever, as an autonomist discerning the priesthood (maybe), I can't stand his libertarian philosophy. I believe I stopped reading him at \"Starship Troopers\". Which was when I found the \"Wizard Knight\". And I've been reading Wolfe ever since. I'm a slow reader, but everything that I've read of his has been really \nworthwhile, especially the BOTNS.\n\nI have met ONE woman who has read Wolfe, and she was a librarian. It was really odd, because I asked for \nour public library to get a copy of the Fifth Head of Cerberus, and she practically jumped. I don't think she was expecting that. Other than that, I know that I have lent my copy of \"Soldier in the Mist\" to a friend of mine who is a girl, but I she never got past the first fifty pages. I only lent it her because I knew she was interested in Greek mythology. Before that, I suggested she read the BOTNS, but she freaked out over one of the torture methods. To think, I had to read \"Pride and Prejudice\" for no reward. Damn.\n\nPatrick" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Crossley", "address": "ishmael at drizzle.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T21:03:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<17036.16129.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/12/08 1:36 PM, \"Patrick Pottorff\" wrote:\n To think, I had to read \"Pride and Prejudice\" for no reward. Damn." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It’s sad to think that someone could read P&P without finding it rewarding.\n\nI’m (mainly) a lurker on the list of a few years? standing who lives in\nSeattle, which I mention in case someone is cataloguing member locations.\nI’m imagination- and language-driven in my reading, so I mostly read what’s\ncalled literary fiction, but there’s a good bit of SF/fantasy that makes the\ncut?Wolfe, obviously, especially BOTNS, Peace, Fifth Head and the Soldier\nbooks, but also Jeff VanderMeer, Avram Davidson, China Mieville, M. John\nHarrison, Kelly Link, John Crowley and the like. I’ll be picking up Evil\nGuest as soon as it comes out, but what I’m really looking forward to this\nyear is Roberto Bolano’s 2666, out in November.\n\nJames Crossley" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10805121420x3dc6e14eke42f06a2a1991e0@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-12T21:20:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:03 PM, James Crossley \nwrote:\n I'll be picking up *Evil Guest* as soon as it comes out, but what I'm\nreally looking forward to this year is Roberto Bolano's *2666*, out in\nNovember.\n\nJames Crossley" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've heard great things about Bolano. Michael Dirda had a really interesting\nreview of his Nazi Literature in the Americas in the Washington Post.\nApparently Bolano name-drops SF author Norman Spinrad, evidently an\ninfluence on his book.\n\nhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/AR2008022803418.html\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<87wslyn6en.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu>", "from": { "name": "Russ Allbery", "address": "rra at stanford.edu" }, "date": "2008-05-13T05:02:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<5027.67.142.130.15.1210624545.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "brunians at brunians.org writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I did not like Iron Council and it has left me with a prejudice against\nMieville." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Iron Council is by general consensus not the high point of that series. I\nliked both Perdido Street Station and The Scar in different ways. The\nScar is the better book, but Perdido Street Station has some *amazing*\ndescriptions. Iron Council was much more explicitly political (Mieville\nhas a doctorate in international relations from the London School of\nEconomics and is a Trotskyist), so if the politics of Bas Lag aren't your\nthing, it's probably not going to be your thing. But don't let that turn\nyou off on his other stuff, some of which is really quite good even if you\ncan't stand his politics at all." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Russ Allbery (rra at stanford.edu) " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Oliver Wakefield", "address": "radontrooper at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T10:35:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:33:46 +1000> From: David.Duffy at qimr.edu.au> To: radontrooper at hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) How list works and questions to mailers> > > > About myself - I'm in the first year on a degree doing war studies> > (military history mainly) at the University of Birmingham.> > So have you read Mary Gentle?> > David Duffy.> -- No. Ive heard vaguely of her though. Whats she like, her books I mean? Any books you reccomend?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "_________________________________________________________________\nGreat deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today!\nhttp://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/" } ] }, { "message_id": "<326135.17307.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-05-13T13:25:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ha! And I saw Birmingham City lose on Sunday...small world indeed.\n\nOliver Wakefield wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:33:46 +1000\nFrom: David.Duffy at qimr.edu.au\nTo: radontrooper at hotmail.com\nSubject: Re: (urth) How list works and questions to mailers" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "About myself - I'm in the first year on a degree doing war studies\n(military history mainly) at the University of Birmingham." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "So have you read Mary Gentle?\n\nDavid Duffy.\n-- " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No. Ive heard vaguely of her though. Whats she like, her books I mean? Any books you reccomend?\n\n---------------------------------\nGet 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1CFE8CA4-4106-4605-B76F-DC53A1A4EAE3@comcast.net>", "from": { "name": "Steven", "address": "mcquaryq at comcast.net" }, "date": "2008-05-16T02:12:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370805120935w4481cf4g3655c6fd2769cd3@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nWhere I'm from: Originally, New York, but I've lived in Northern \nCalifornia all\nmy teen and adult life." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Steven\n\nI was born and raised a Californian, lived most of my life in both \nthe Bayeria and the LA basin. Now in Jersey for unfathomable family \nreasons. But I love northern CA, the redwood parks up near the \nOregon border and such. What small town do you live in? They're all \nsmall up there, aren't they?" } ] }, { "message_id": "<6762.67.142.130.16.1210907789.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2008-05-16T03:16:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<1CFE8CA4-4106-4605-B76F-DC53A1A4EAE3@comcast.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I live in Hayfork.\n\nI think Dan'l lives in a little village called Oakland, but I may be\nmistaken.\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Where I'm from: Originally, New York, but I've lived in Northern\nCalifornia all\nmy teen and adult life." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Steven\n\nI was born and raised a Californian, lived most of my life in both\nthe Bayeria and the LA basin. Now in Jersey for unfathomable family\nreasons. But I love northern CA, the redwood parks up near the\nOregon border and such. What small town do you live in? They're all\nsmall up there, aren't they?\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370805160801p4f5f03c8pe8029e856cce8f5a@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-16T15:01:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<1CFE8CA4-4106-4605-B76F-DC53A1A4EAE3@comcast.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sorry, I don't mean to cause confusion -- \"Northern California\" in my\nworld means \"everything north of Monterey.\" I live in the SF bay\narea, in a town called Alameda." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Steven wrote:\n\nOn May 12, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\n\nWhere I'm from: Originally, New York, but I've lived in Northern California\nall\n\nmy teen and adult life.\n\nSteven\nI was born and raised a Californian, lived most of my life in both the\nBayeria and the LA basin. Now in Jersey for unfathomable family reasons.\n But I love northern CA, the redwood parks up near the Oregon border and\nsuch. What small town do you live in? They're all small up there, aren't\nthey?\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<45266.1210958931@speakeasy.net>", "from": { "name": "Allan Anderson", "address": "rubel at goosemoon.org" }, "date": "2008-05-16T17:28:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370805160801p4f5f03c8pe8029e856cce8f5a@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Heh, yes; I had a friend from Ukiah, way up north, who scoffed at the SF Bay, calling it \"Central California\".\n\nI'm in Oakland, so greetings, Dan'l, and say hello the nuclear wessels.\n\nOn Fri May 16 8:01 , \"Dan\"l Danehy-Oakes\" sent:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Sorry, I don't mean to cause confusion -- \"Northern California\" in my\nworld means \"everything north of Monterey.\" I live in the SF bay\narea, in a town called Alameda.\n\nOn Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Steven mcquaryq at comcast.net> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\n\nWhere I'm from: Originally, New York, but I've lived in Northern California\nall\n\nmy teen and adult life.\n\nSteven\nI was born and raised a Californian, lived most of my life in both the\nBayeria and the LA basin. Now in Jersey for unfathomable family reasons.\n But I love northern CA, the redwood parks up near the Oregon border and\nsuch. What small town do you live in? They're all small up there, aren't\nthey?\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<747563.35284.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-05-16T17:41:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<45266.1210958931@speakeasy.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "hey, we're all neighbors..I'm in the Inner Sunset....when I'm home\n\n\nnot my best post ever I know..\n\nStuart\nAllan Anderson wrote: Heh, yes; I had a friend from Ukiah, way up north, who scoffed at the SF Bay, calling it \"Central California\".\n\nI'm in Oakland, so greetings, Dan'l, and say hello the nuclear wessels.\n\nOn Fri May 16 8:01 , \"Dan\"l Danehy-Oakes\" sent:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Sorry, I don't mean to cause confusion -- \"Northern California\" in my\nworld means \"everything north of Monterey.\" I live in the SF bay\narea, in a town called Alameda.\n\nOn Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Steven mcquaryq at comcast.net> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\n\nWhere I'm from: Originally, New York, but I've lived in Northern California\nall\n\nmy teen and adult life.\n\nSteven\nI was born and raised a Californian, lived most of my life in both the\nBayeria and the LA basin. Now in Jersey for unfathomable family reasons.\n But I love northern CA, the redwood parks up near the Oregon border and\nsuch. What small town do you live in? They're all small up there, aren't\nthey?\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-- \nDan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\n\nI once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile Island dressing in a\nrestaurant and, with great presence of mind, they brought Thousand\nIsland Dressing and a bottle of chili sauce. -- T. Pratchett\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "<14316.67.142.130.44.1210966961.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2008-05-16T19:42:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<45266.1210958931@speakeasy.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ukiah's south a ways.\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Heh, yes; I had a friend from Ukiah, way up north, who scoffed at the SF\nBay, calling it \"Central California\".\n\nI'm in Oakland, so greetings, Dan'l, and say hello the nuclear wessels.\n\nOn Fri May 16 8:01 , \"Dan\"l Danehy-Oakes\" sent:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Sorry, I don't mean to cause confusion -- \"Northern California\" in my\nworld means \"everything north of Monterey.\" I live in the SF bay\narea, in a town called Alameda.\n\nOn Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Steven mcquaryq at comcast.net> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "On May 12, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\n\nWhere I'm from: Originally, New York, but I've lived in Northern\nCalifornia\nall\n\nmy teen and adult life.\n\nSteven\nI was born and raised a Californian, lived most of my life in both the\nBayeria and the LA basin. Now in Jersey for unfathomable family\nreasons.\n But I love northern CA, the redwood parks up near the Oregon border\nand\nsuch. What small town do you live in? They're all small up there,\naren't\nthey?\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris Laybourn", "address": "laybournchris at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-16T19:45:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<14316.67.142.130.44.1210966961.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Pedro Pereira", "address": "domus_artemis at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-16T21:23:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes.\n\n\nFrom: laybournchris at hotmail.comTo: urth at lists.urth.netDate: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:45:40 -0700Subject: Re: (urth) How list works and questions to mailers" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10805161429j650e1cfdr35e600d0baa221e6@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-16T21:29:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Chris Laybourn \nwrote:\n Am i correct that there are three books in the \"Soldier\" series? I was\njust at Powell's in Portland which I believe is the largest bookstore in the\nUS and they only had \"Sidon.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There are three books, but the first two are only in-print in an omnibus\nedition called \"Latro in the Mist.\"\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<307A7CFC-9D04-4BFE-AF1D-72191D95DB1B@comcast.net>", "from": { "name": "Steven", "address": "mcquaryq at comcast.net" }, "date": "2008-05-16T22:23:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370805160801p4f5f03c8pe8029e856cce8f5a@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\tIt's usually the southern folk who think SF constitutes the north. \nI thought 'Hayfork' was just someone pulling my leg but sure enough, \nthere it is, and not terribly far from Cummings, where my family \nvacationed a few times at a small resort called Big Bend. Pynchon \nlived thereabouts while writing Vineland. Or farther north maybe. \nAnd R. Crumb the comic artist lived in the Willits/Pottersville area \nin the 70s or 80s, I think. So there's yer cultcha. And not to be \nso continually off-topic:\n\n\tHere's a Wolfe query: What is the author's intent in making the \nBook of the LS and the Book of the SS so very different in style, \nboth from each other and from the NS? Has he made mention anywhere \nof his decision, specifically, not to tell Silk's story in the first \nperson? What is gained?\n\nSteven\n\t\n\t\n\t" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris Laybourn", "address": "laybournchris at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-16T22:42:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<307A7CFC-9D04-4BFE-AF1D-72191D95DB1B@comcast.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As a Wolfe newbie - I can't answer that question but I have another of my own. Is there any online interviews of Wolfe talking about BotNS? \n\n\nFrom: mcquaryq at comcast.netDate: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:23:34 -0400To: urth at lists.urth.netSubject: Re: (urth) How list works and questions to mailersIt's usually the southern folk who think SF constitutes the north. I thought 'Hayfork' was just someone pulling my leg but sure enough, there it is, and not terribly far from Cummings, where my family vacationed a few times at a small resort called Big Bend. Pynchon lived thereabouts while writing Vineland. Or farther north maybe. And R. Crumb the comic artist lived in the Willits/Pottersville area in the 70s or 80s, I think. So there's yer cultcha. And not to be so continually off-topic: \n\nHere's a Wolfe query: What is the author's intent in making the Book of the LS and the Book of the SS so very different in style, both from each other and from the NS? Has he made mention anywhere of his decision, specifically, not to tell Silk's story in the first person? What is gained?\n\nSteven " } ] }, { "message_id": "<482e292b.2d3.7331.19338@mail.rochester.edu>", "from": { "name": "dcooperv", "address": "dcooperv at mail.rochester.edu" }, "date": "2008-05-17T00:39:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Quite a few; I'd recommend a Google search for \"Gene Wolfe interview,\" or even\njust \"Gene Wolfe.\" Other contributers can probably give you something more\nspecific.\n\n-Dan Vince" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "As a Wolfe newbie - I can't answer that question but I have another of my own.\n Is there any online interviews of Wolfe talking about BotNS? \n\n\nFrom: mcquaryq at comcast.netDate: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:23:34 -0400To:\nurth at lists.urth.netSubject: Re: (urth) How list works and questions to\nmailersIt's usually the southern folk who think SF constitutes the north. I\nthought 'Hayfork' was just someone pulling my leg but sure enough, there it is\n, and not terribly far from Cummings, where my family vacationed a few times\nat a small resort called Big Bend. Pynchon lived thereabouts while writing\nVineland. Or farther north maybe. And R. Crumb the comic artist lived in the\nWillits/Pottersville area in the 70s or 80s, I think. So there's yer cultcha.\n And not to be so continually off-topic: \n\nHere's a Wolfe query: What is the author's intent in making the Book of the\nLS and the Book of the SS so very different in style, both from each other and\nfrom the NS? Has he made mention anywhere of his decision, specifically, not\nto tell Silk's story in the first person? What is gained?\n\nSteven \n\n\n\n\n\n_________________________________________________________________\nE-mail for the greater good. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft.\nhttp://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<482E6DBA.1050101@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dave Tallman", "address": "davetallman at msn.com" }, "date": "2008-05-17T05:31:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<307A7CFC-9D04-4BFE-AF1D-72191D95DB1B@comcast.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Steven writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\tHere's a Wolfe query: What is the author's intent in making the \nBook of the LS and the Book of the SS so very different in style, \nboth from each other and from the NS? Has he made mention anywhere \nof his decision, specifically, not to tell Silk's story in the first \nperson? What is gained?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "For one thing, it gains an opportunity to use first person in just one \nplace..." } ] }, { "message_id": "<691143.3549.qm@web63905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2008-06-16T16:43:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<482679BE.9000605@sbcglobal.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Late reply to a long-forgotten party...way behind in all e-mails (over 4,500 unread and climbing!).\n\nAnyway, sometime Wolfe reader, located in NJ. Most recent Wolfe read was \"Shambles\" with Gaiman. For review, as well as indication of what else I read, see link below (TexasBestGrok).\n\n\nF.P. Kiesche III\n\"When you send a man out with a gun, you create a policymaker. When his ass is on the line, he will do whatever he needs to do...And if the implications of that bothers you, the time to do something about it is before you decide to send him out.\" (David Drake, Caught in the Crossfire)\nBlogging at TexasBestGrok!\n\n--- On Sun, 5/11/08, Charles Reed <jazzy_jeeves at sbcglobal.net> wrote:\n\nFrom: Charles Reed <jazzy_jeeves at sbcglobal.net>\nSubject: Re: (urth) How list works and questions to mailers\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" <urth at lists.urth.net>\nDate: Sunday, May 11, 2008, 12:44 AM\n\nHi Oliver. I'm from Texas. I've always gotten the impression that most\n\nof the people who post here are from the US, but that's certainly not a \nscientific sampling. My general reading preferences outside of Gene \nWolfe tend to lie in the fantasy genre rather than sci-fi: Tolkien, Le \nGuin, Robin Hobb, George Martin, Neil Gaiman. Although, to be perfectly \nhonest, my reading time has been very much curtailed over the last few \nyears due to family expansion. (We just brought our third -- and final \n-- child into the world about seven months ago.) I used to pretty \nregularly read 25-30 novels a year. These days it seems like I'm doing \nwell if I manage 4-5. Coinciding with that, I haven't been much a \nregular contributor lately, although I was a pretty active participant \nfor a good couple of years. I still try to keep up with the read the \nmailing list, though.\n\nCharles\n\nP.S. Don't know how to help you the text trailing off the page. I read \nthe Urth mailing list on my mail program (Thunderbird) and haven't \nexperienced that problem.\n\n\n\nOliver Wakefield wrote:\n>\n> Hi\n>\n> \n>\n> In my first email on this list my text trailed off the end of the page \n> - is there anyway to keep the text within the window - sorry ive never \n> used a mailing list before.\n>\n> Also, as this list seems to be the largest wolfe source on the net I \n> was wondering who the contributers are. Congratulations to all \n> involved by the way. I am just wondering which of you are sci-fi fans \n> and which are general readers. Also where are you from? Im from the UK \n> and ive only met one person whos read BOTN and this person someone who \n> writes on sci fi. Is Wolfe bigger in the US, i'm imagining this list \n> is primarily US?\n>\n> \n>\n> Thanks Ollie W\n>\n>\n> ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your \n> Mobile!\n<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/>\n> ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>\n> _______________________________________________\n> Urth Mailing List\n> To post, write urth at urth.net\n> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "<509363.68576.qm@web63904.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2008-06-16T17:14:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10805110336x6774a5fat57a7ab16e4da182b@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Matt--Are you a member of The Gunroom? If not, take a look!\n \nhttp://www.hmssurprise.org/\n \nLots of good stuff discussed for fans of Patrick O'Brian.\n\n\nF.P. Kiesche III\n\"When you send a man out with a gun, you create a policymaker. When his ass is on the line, he will do whatever he needs to do...And if the implications of that bothers you, the time to do something about it is before you decide to send him out.\" (David Drake, Caught in the Crossfire)\nBlogging at TexasBestGrok!\n\n--- On Sun, 5/11/08, Matthew Keeley <matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com> wrote:\n\nFrom: Matthew Keeley <matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com>\nSubject: Re: (urth) How list works and questions to mailers\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" <urth at lists.urth.net>\nDate: Sunday, May 11, 2008, 6:36 AM\n\n\nI'm from the Boston area, though I've been studying in Dublin for the past year (going home in a little more than a week).\n\nI used to be very much a sci-fi / fantasy reader, but for the past few years I've been diversifying a lot. So this year I've been reading lots of \"mainstream\" lit, a good deal of Patrick O'Brian, and a lot of mysteries. Wolfe is one of the few sci-fi authors I still read with any deal of regularity.\n\nI can't say I know any other Wolfe readers in real life, though I'm always trying to make converts. I just gave a copy of The Book of the New Sun to a friend here, so let's hope that there will soon be another Wolfe reader in Dublin...\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10806162019s96ff5efvaf5d4b8b57c532d7@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-06-17T03:19:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) How list works and questions to mailers", "in_reply_to": "<509363.68576.qm@web63904.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Fred Kiesche \nwrote:\nMatt--Are you a member of The Gunroom? If not, take a look!\n\n\n\nhttp://www.hmssurprise.org/\n\n\n\nLots of good stuff discussed for fans of Patrick O'Brian.\n\nF.P. Kiesche III" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks for the advice. I'm not a member yet, and might wait a bit before\njoining. I'd like to finish the Aubrey-Maturin books before I start\ndiscussing them, as I'd prefer to avoid spoilers (Not that spoilers would\nruin the experience, but one does like to avoid them).\n\n-Matt" } ] } ] }