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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5024, "subject": "Steampunk books", "messages": 20, "voices": 12, "first": "2008-05-13T06:37:26+00:00", "last": "2008-06-17T02:07:25+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<33848.44990.qm@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Nicholas Gevers", "address": "vermoulian at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T06:37:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In addition to the VanderMeer Steampunk reprint\nanthology already mentioned in the current discussion,\nI myself have an original steampunk anthology coming\nout from Solaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.\nAll new stories from Kage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey\nFord, James Morrow, Ian R. MacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay\nLake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff VanderMeer,\nMargo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.\n\nFor Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk\nnovel MAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there\nare certainly Wolfean echoes in the book.\n\nAnother steampunk epic worth reading is Brian\nStableford's Werewolves of London trilogy--lots of\nmetaphysics.\n\n--Nick Gevers." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370805130915i7361a023vaa6508b40ae60c2e@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T16:15:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<33848.44990.qm@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "For those who like steampunk, I'd recommend the first\nnovel by ALan Campbell, \"Scar Night.\" It reminds me more\nthan a little of China Mieville without being excessively\nderivative." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Nicholas Gevers wrote:\nIn addition to the VanderMeer Steampunk reprint\n anthology already mentioned in the current discussion,\n I myself have an original steampunk anthology coming\n out from Solaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.\n All new stories from Kage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey\n Ford, James Morrow, Ian R. MacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay\n Lake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff VanderMeer,\n Margo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.\n\n For Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk\n novel MAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there\n are certainly Wolfean echoes in the book.\n\n Another steampunk epic worth reading is Brian\n Stableford's Werewolves of London trilogy--lots of\n metaphysics.\n\n --Nick Gevers.\n\n\n\n __________________________________________________________\n Sent from Yahoo! Mail.\n A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<9f1507fc0805131030x6cc4eba9r78ef0d185e2dd4cf@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Kerry Benton", "address": "k.benton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T17:30:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<33848.44990.qm@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'll second the rec. for MAINSPRING. I'm not a steampunk aficionado\nby any stretch, but I quite enjoyed Lake's style and unexpectedly\ntwisting story. Quite cool.\n\n-k" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Nicholas Gevers wrote:\nIn addition to the VanderMeer Steampunk reprint\n anthology already mentioned in the current discussion,\n I myself have an original steampunk anthology coming\n out from Solaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.\n All new stories from Kage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey\n Ford, James Morrow, Ian R. MacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay\n Lake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff VanderMeer,\n Margo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.\n\n For Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk\n novel MAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there\n are certainly Wolfean echoes in the book.\n\n Another steampunk epic worth reading is Brian\n Stableford's Werewolves of London trilogy--lots of\n metaphysics.\n\n --Nick Gevers.\n\n\n\n __________________________________________________________\n Sent from Yahoo! Mail.\n A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris Laybourn", "address": "laybournchris at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T18:02:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<9f1507fc0805131030x6cc4eba9r78ef0d185e2dd4cf@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [] }, { "message_id": "<9f1507fc0805131117j26a0eea0ne9b6ec13acf9beef@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Kerry Benton", "address": "k.benton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T18:17:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's basically a sort of homage to Jules Verne, et al in my mind.\n\nSteampunk fiction tends to anachronisms featuring steam power,\nclockwork, and other Victorian-era technology (and frequently societal\nelements) providing the impetus for machines and devices that are\nfirmly in the realm of science fiction (giant walking weapons\nplatforms, for example, as in the anime Steamboy).\n\nThat's my quick 2 cent synopsis, anyway ;)\n\n-k" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Chris Laybourn\n wrote:\n\n Sorry, I'm a little new. Can someone fill me in on \"steampunk?\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:30:24 -0400\nFrom: k.benton at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nCC: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I'll second the rec. for MAINSPRING. I'm not a steampunk aficionado\nby any stretch, but I quite enjoyed Lake's style and unexpectedly\ntwisting story. Quite cool.\n\n-k\n\n\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Nicholas Gevers \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "In addition to the VanderMeer Steampunk reprint\nanthology already mentioned in the current discussion,\nI myself have an original steampunk anthology coming\nout from Solaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.\nAll new stories from Kage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey\nFord, James Morrow, Ian R. MacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay\nLake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff VanderMeer,\nMargo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.\n\nFor Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk\nnovel MAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there\nare certainly Wolfean echoes in the book.\n\nAnother steampunk epic worth reading is Brian\nStableford's Werewolves of London trilogy--lots of\nmetaphysics.\n\n--Nick Gevers.\n\n\n\n__________________________________________________________\nSent from Yahoo! Mail.\nA Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris Laybourn", "address": "laybournchris at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T18:23:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<9f1507fc0805131117j26a0eea0ne9b6ec13acf9beef@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370805131138r52157233m2e864558e42ca224@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T18:38:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, very much so." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Chris Laybourn\n wrote:\n\n So that disaster of a Will Smith film \"Wild Wild West\" had elements of\nsteampunk? Thanks" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:17:24 -0400" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "From: k.benton at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Subject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\n\nIt's basically a sort of homage to Jules Verne, et al in my mind.\n\nSteampunk fiction tends to anachronisms featuring steam power,\nclockwork, and other Victorian-era technology (and frequently societal\nelements) providing the impetus for machines and devices that are\nfirmly in the realm of science fiction (giant walking weapons\nplatforms, for example, as in the anime Steamboy).\n\nThat's my quick 2 cent synopsis, anyway ;)\n\n-k\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Chris Laybourn\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Sorry, I'm a little new. Can someone fill me in on \"steampunk?\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:30:24 -0400\nFrom: k.benton at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nCC: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "I'll second the rec. for MAINSPRING. I'm not a steampunk aficionado\nby any stretch, but I quite enjoyed Lake's style and unexpectedly\ntwisting story. Quite cool.\n\n-k\n\n\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Nicholas Gevers\n\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "In addition to the VanderMeer Steampunk reprint\nanthology already mentioned in the current discussion,\nI myself have an original steampunk anthology coming\nout from Solaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.\nAll new stories from Kage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey\nFord, James Morrow, Ian R. MacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay\nLake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff VanderMeer,\nMargo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.\n\nFor Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk\nnovel MAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there\nare certainly Wolfean echoes in the book.\n\nAnother steampunk epic worth reading is Brian\nStableford's Werewolves of London trilogy--lots of\nmetaphysics.\n\n--Nick Gevers.\n\n\n\n__________________________________________________________\nSent from Yahoo! Mail.\nA Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris Laybourn", "address": "laybournchris at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T18:48:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370805131138r52157233m2e864558e42ca224@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "So, apologies for the very newbie-esque question. I just finished Book of the New Sun. Found it very challenging but very rewarding by the end. Is \"Urth of the New Sun\" now required reading for me? \n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T19:08:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't know if I'd say \"required\" but it is he only way to make sense \nof what went on in the first four books. Well, as much sense as \nanything ever makes.\n\nLane" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 13, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Chris Laybourn wrote:\nSo, apologies for the very newbie-esque question. I just finished \nBook of the New Sun. Found it very challenging but very rewarding \nby the end. Is \"Urth of the New Sun\" now required reading for me?\n\nAlso - Is there a consensus on what Wolfe's best non-New Sun work is?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:38:33 -0700\nFrom: danldo at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\n\nYes, very much so.\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Chris Laybourn\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "So that disaster of a Will Smith film \"Wild Wild West\" had \nelements of\nsteampunk? Thanks" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:17:24 -0400" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "From: k.benton at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Subject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\n\nIt's basically a sort of homage to Jules Verne, et al in my \nmind.\n\nSteampunk fiction tends to anachronisms featuring steam power,\nclockwork, and other Victorian-era technology (and frequently \nsocietal\nelements) providing the impetus for machines and devices that \nare\nfirmly in the realm of science fiction (giant walking weapons\nplatforms, for example, as in the anime Steamboy).\n\nThat's my quick 2 cent synopsis, anyway ;)\n\n-k\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Chris Laybourn\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Sorry, I'm a little new. Can someone fill me in on \n\"steampunk?\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:30:24 -0400\nFrom: k.benton at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nCC: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "I'll second the rec. for MAINSPRING. I'm not a steampunk \naficionado\nby any stretch, but I quite enjoyed Lake's style and \nunexpectedly\ntwisting story. Quite cool.\n\n-k\n\n\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Nicholas Gevers\n\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "In addition to the VanderMeer Steampunk reprint\nanthology already mentioned in the current discussion,\nI myself have an original steampunk anthology coming\nout from Solaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.\nAll new stories from Kage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey\nFord, James Morrow, Ian R. MacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay\nLake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff VanderMeer,\nMargo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.\n\nFor Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk\nnovel MAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there\nare certainly Wolfean echoes in the book.\n\nAnother steampunk epic worth reading is Brian\nStableford's Werewolves of London trilogy--lots of\nmetaphysics.\n\n--Nick Gevers.\n\n\n\n__________________________________________________________\nSent from Yahoo! Mail.\nA Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<75BD6835-43F5-465A-A0A4-741AFD5CE566@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T19:22:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't know if I'd say \"required\" but it is he only way to make sense \nof what went on in the first four books. Well, as much sense as \nanything ever makes.\n\nLane" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 13, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Chris Laybourn wrote:\nSo, apologies for the very newbie-esque question. I just finished \nBook of the New Sun. Found it very challenging but very rewarding \nby the end. Is \"Urth of the New Sun\" now required reading for me?\n\nAlso - Is there a consensus on what Wolfe's best non-New Sun work is?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:38:33 -0700\nFrom: danldo at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\n\nYes, very much so.\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Chris Laybourn\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "So that disaster of a Will Smith film \"Wild Wild West\" had \nelements of\nsteampunk? Thanks" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:17:24 -0400" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "From: k.benton at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Subject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\n\nIt's basically a sort of homage to Jules Verne, et al in my \nmind.\n\nSteampunk fiction tends to anachronisms featuring steam power,\nclockwork, and other Victorian-era technology (and frequently \nsocietal\nelements) providing the impetus for machines and devices that \nare\nfirmly in the realm of science fiction (giant walking weapons\nplatforms, for example, as in the anime Steamboy).\n\nThat's my quick 2 cent synopsis, anyway ;)\n\n-k\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Chris Laybourn\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Sorry, I'm a little new. Can someone fill me in on \n\"steampunk?\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:30:24 -0400\nFrom: k.benton at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nCC: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "I'll second the rec. for MAINSPRING. I'm not a steampunk \naficionado\nby any stretch, but I quite enjoyed Lake's style and \nunexpectedly\ntwisting story. Quite cool.\n\n-k\n\n\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Nicholas Gevers\n\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "In addition to the VanderMeer Steampunk reprint\nanthology already mentioned in the current discussion,\nI myself have an original steampunk anthology coming\nout from Solaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.\nAll new stories from Kage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey\nFord, James Morrow, Ian R. MacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay\nLake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff VanderMeer,\nMargo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.\n\nFor Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk\nnovel MAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there\nare certainly Wolfean echoes in the book.\n\nAnother steampunk epic worth reading is Brian\nStableford's Werewolves of London trilogy--lots of\nmetaphysics.\n\n--Nick Gevers.\n\n\n\n__________________________________________________________\nSent from Yahoo! Mail.\nA Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<6d9d379a0805131256t1988e1a1u57499d1f7642a30f@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Jordan Dennis", "address": "jordanden at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T19:56:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<75BD6835-43F5-465A-A0A4-741AFD5CE566@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If I could point out some really decent steampunk materials.\n- I've always really enjoyed the short story \"The Dog Said Bow-Wow\" by\nMichael Swanwick. It's a fun far-future steampunk story. You can read it\nonline at http://www.asimovs.com/Nebulas03/bowwow.shtml.\n- Karl Schroeder has a Victorianesque society in his book Sun of Suns. It's\na very fun read. I have it as a legal, free download from the tor.com e-book\ngiveaway. If anyone would like to read it, e-mail me and I'll forward the\ne-mail to you.\n- A recent steampunk adventure novel is Whitechapel Gods by S.M. Peters.\nIt's a fun urban fantasy read.\n- I'm currently reading The Glass Books of the Dream Eaters by Gordon\nDahlquist. It's really long and dense, but he has such a fun writing voice\nits hard to put down.\n\nAlso, from the cinema side, I think The City of Lost Children is one of the\nbetter steampunk movies.\n\nCheers!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:08 PM, wrote:\nSend Urth mailing list submissions to\n urth at lists.urth.net\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\n http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\n urth-request at lists.urth.net\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\n urth-owner at lists.urth.net\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of Urth digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n 1. Re: Steampunk books (Chris Laybourn)\n 2. Re: Steampunk books (Lane Haygood)\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:48:27 -0700\nFrom: Chris Laybourn \nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID: \nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\n\n\nSo, apologies for the very newbie-esque question. I just finished Book of\nthe New Sun. Found it very challenging but very rewarding by the end. Is\n\"Urth of the New Sun\" now required reading for me?\n\nAlso - Is there a consensus on what Wolfe's best non-New Sun work is? >\nDate: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:38:33 -0700> From: danldo at gmail.com> To:\nurth at lists.urth.net> Subject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books> > Yes, very much\nso.> > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Chris Laybourn> <\nlaybournchris at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > So that disaster of a Will Smith\nfilm \"Wild Wild West\" had elements of> > steampunk? Thanks> >> > > Date:\nTue, 13 May 2008 14:17:24 -0400> >> > > From: k.benton at gmail.com> > > To:\nurth at lists.urth.net> >> > > Subject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books> > >> > >\nIt's basically a sort of homage to Jules Verne, et al in my mind.> > >> > >\nSteampunk fiction tends to anachronisms featuring steam power,> > >\nclockwork, and other Victorian-era technology (and frequently societal> > >\nelements) providing the impetus for machines and devices that are> > >\nfirmly in the realm of science fiction (giant walking weapons> > >\nplatforms, for example, as in the anime Steamboy).> > >> > > That\n 's my quick 2 cent synopsis, anyway ;)> > >> > > -k> > >> > > On Tue, May\n13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Chris Laybourn> > > \nwrote:> > > >> > > > Sorry, I'm a little new. Can someone fill me in on\n\"steampunk?\"> > > >> > > > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:30:24 -0400> > > > >\nFrom: k.benton at gmail.com> > > > > To: urth at lists.urth.net> > > > > CC:\nurth at urth.net> > > > > Subject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books> > > >> > > >>\nI'll second the rec. for MAINSPRING. I'm not a steampunk\naficionado> > > > > by any stretch, but I quite enjoyed Lake's style and\nunexpectedly> > > > > twisting story. Quite cool.> > > > >> > > > > -k> > >\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Nicholas\nGevers> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > In addition to\nthe VanderMeer Steampunk reprint> > > > > > anthology already mentioned in\nthe current discussion,> > > > > > I myself have an original steampunk\nanthology coming> > > > > > out from S\n olaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.> > > > > > All new stories from\nKage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey> > > > > > Ford, James Morrow, Ian R.\nMacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay> > > > > > Lake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff\nVanderMeer,> > > > > > Margo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.> > > > > >> > > >\nFor Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk> > > > > > novel\nMAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there> > > > > > are certainly\nWolfean echoes in the book.> > > > > >> > > > > > Another steampunk epic\nworth reading is Brian> > > > > > Stableford's Werewolves of London\ntrilogy--lots of> > > > > > metaphysics.> > > > > >> > > > > > --Nick\nGevers.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >\n__________________________________________________________> > > > > > Sent\nfrom Yahoo! 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Start> > sharing.> >\n_______________________________________________> > Urth Mailing List> > To\npost, write urth at urth.net> > Subscription/information: h\n ttp://www.urth.net> >> > > > -- > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer,\nbon vivant> -----> http://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer>\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com> > I once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile\nIsland dressing in a> restaurant and, with great presence of mind, they\nbrought Thousand> Island Dressing and a bottle of chili sauce. -- T.\nPratchett> _______________________________________________> Urth Mailing\nList> To post, write urth at urth.net> Subscription/information:\nhttp://www.urth.net\n_________________________________________________________________\nWith Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you.\n\nhttp://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...\nURL: <\nhttp://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20080513/1c54a6e8/attachment-0001.htm" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:08:51 -0500\nFrom: Lane Haygood \nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID: \nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"us-ascii\"; Format=\"flowed\";\n DelSp=\"yes\"\n\nI don't know if I'd say \"required\" but it is he only way to make sense\nof what went on in the first four books. Well, as much sense as\nanything ever makes.\n\nLane\n\nOn May 13, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Chris Laybourn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "So, apologies for the very newbie-esque question. I just finished\nBook of the New Sun. Found it very challenging but very rewarding\nby the end. Is \"Urth of the New Sun\" now required reading for me?\n\nAlso - Is there a consensus on what Wolfe's best non-New Sun work is?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:38:33 -0700\nFrom: danldo at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\n\nYes, very much so.\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Chris Laybourn\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "So that disaster of a Will Smith film \"Wild Wild West\" had\nelements of\nsteampunk? Thanks" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:17:24 -0400" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "From: k.benton at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Subject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\n\nIt's basically a sort of homage to Jules Verne, et al in my\nmind.\n\nSteampunk fiction tends to anachronisms featuring steam power,\nclockwork, and other Victorian-era technology (and frequently\nsocietal\nelements) providing the impetus for machines and devices that\nare\nfirmly in the realm of science fiction (giant walking weapons\nplatforms, for example, as in the anime Steamboy).\n\nThat's my quick 2 cent synopsis, anyway ;)\n\n-k\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Chris Laybourn\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "Sorry, I'm a little new. Can someone fill me in on\n\"steampunk?\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:30:24 -0400\nFrom: k.benton at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nCC: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "I'll second the rec. for MAINSPRING. I'm not a steampunk\naficionado\nby any stretch, but I quite enjoyed Lake's style and\nunexpectedly\ntwisting story. Quite cool.\n\n-k\n\n\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Nicholas Gevers\n\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 8, "text": "In addition to the VanderMeer Steampunk reprint\nanthology already mentioned in the current discussion,\nI myself have an original steampunk anthology coming\nout from Solaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.\nAll new stories from Kage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey\nFord, James Morrow, Ian R. MacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay\nLake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff VanderMeer,\nMargo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.\n\nFor Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk\nnovel MAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there\nare certainly Wolfean echoes in the book.\n\nAnother steampunk epic worth reading is Brian\nStableford's Werewolves of London trilogy--lots of\nmetaphysics.\n\n--Nick Gevers.\n\n\n\n__________________________________________________________\nSent from Yahoo! Mail.\nA Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk" }, "date": "2008-05-13T20:11:57+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<6d9d379a0805131256t1988e1a1u57499d1f7642a30f@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jordan Dennis writes: " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "If I could point out some really decent steampunk materials." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If we're branching out . . . \n\nCurrently reading the Eric Corbeyran & Marc Moreno opus **Le R?gulateur**, \nwhich is bandes dessinnee Steampunk and the best thing I've seen in a month \nof moons. The archtecture!! The machines!! The sexy assassin-ladies in \nleather and suspenders!! \n\nNot much linkage to Wolfe, though. \n\n - hartshorn \n\n \n\nhttp://www.thenightland.co.uk \n\n01273-488272 / 0777-214-9545 " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Knight", "address": "jacobeiserman at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-13T20:51:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Adding to the \"steampunk\" roll:\n\nHas anyone given Sean McMullen's \"Greatwinter Trilogy\" a try? I really\nenjoyed the first and second books (Souls in the Great Machine and The\nMiocene Arrow). It's an Australio-centric look at a neo-feudal society 1500\nyears in the future. Some wildly inventive ideas along with some horribly\nfrustrating characters and ridiculous circumstances, but a good deal of\nswashbuckling action. Unfortunately, the trilogy doesn't end so well...\n\nI also enjoyed \"The Music of Razors\" by...Cameron Rogers? It struck me\nstrongly as the kind of book that would appeal to Wolfe fans (lots of arcane\nreferences and barely-alluded-to events that require some deduction),\nalthough it reminds me also of some of Gaiman's work." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Crossley", "address": "ishmael at drizzle.com" }, "date": "2008-05-14T03:58:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<9f1507fc0805131117j26a0eea0ne9b6ec13acf9beef@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "To be pedantic for a moment, that's not the whole story. True steampunk\nisn't just an extrapolation of Victorian-era science, but has to include an\nelement of technology-induced anxiety. In other words, steampunk, like\ncyberpunk, from which it gets its name, shows the discomforts of rapid\nadvancements in technology, and its mood is usually dystopic.\n\nIf a story features atomic zeppelins or steam-powered robots without\nattendant tension, it's something else. Suggested terms include \"gaslight\nromance\" and \"retrofuturism.\"\n\nJames" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/13/08 11:17 AM, \"Kerry Benton\" wrote:\nIt's basically a sort of homage to Jules Verne, et al in my mind.\n\nSteampunk fiction tends to anachronisms featuring steam power,\nclockwork, and other Victorian-era technology (and frequently societal\nelements) providing the impetus for machines and devices that are\nfirmly in the realm of science fiction (giant walking weapons\nplatforms, for example, as in the anime Steamboy).\n\nThat's my quick 2 cent synopsis, anyway ;)\n\n-k" } ] }, { "message_id": "<482AE6A3.6030406@comcast.net>", "from": { "name": "Steven Hall", "address": "sghall at comcast.net" }, "date": "2008-05-14T13:18:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "To add to this, science fiction is well understood to be about the \npresent in which it was written, not the future.\n\nSteampunk, then, is a combination of alternate history and science \nfiction. It is what we imagine the science fiction of the Victoria era \nmight have been.\n\nOr to put it another way: in the present, we go back to the past to \nre-imagine the future.\n\nSteve" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "James Crossley wrote:\nTo be pedantic for a moment, that's not the whole story. True steampunk\nisn't just an extrapolation of Victorian-era science, but has to include an\nelement of technology-induced anxiety. In other words, steampunk, like\ncyberpunk, from which it gets its name, shows the discomforts of rapid\nadvancements in technology, and its mood is usually dystopic.\n\nIf a story features atomic zeppelins or steam-powered robots without\nattendant tension, it's something else. Suggested terms include \"gaslight\nromance\" and \"retrofuturism.\"\n\nJames\n\nOn 5/13/08 11:17 AM, \"Kerry Benton\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "It's basically a sort of homage to Jules Verne, et al in my mind.\n\nSteampunk fiction tends to anachronisms featuring steam power,\nclockwork, and other Victorian-era technology (and frequently societal\nelements) providing the impetus for machines and devices that are\nfirmly in the realm of science fiction (giant walking weapons\nplatforms, for example, as in the anime Steamboy).\n\nThat's my quick 2 cent synopsis, anyway ;)\n\n-k" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<611326.22365.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Recursive Loop", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2008-05-14T13:44:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<33848.44990.qm@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\nLots of steampunky good stuff out there.\n\nHere's a recent discovery. Warning! Vast cosmic timesink ahead!!!\n\n\n\nFred Kiesche\n\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370805140906v7e08b4c2v129beaf387065c53@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-05-14T16:06:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<482AE6A3.6030406@comcast.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Steven Hall wrote:\nTo add to this, science fiction is well understood to be about the present\nin which it was written, not the future." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I quibble: this is only true for some values of the words \"about,\" \"science\nfiction,\" and even \"is.\"\n\nI.e., there is no doubt that in some important sense _The Space Merchants_\n\"is about\" the advertising/marketing industry of the 1950s. But there is\nanother sense in which one can meaningfully say it is about a future\nextrapolated from that time.\n\nI would take a much more nuanced approach and say:\n\nScience fiction of any ambition comments deliberately on the world of\nthe present in which it is written, by setting up a contrafactual world\nin dialogue with that world.\n\nScience fiction lacking in ambition comments inadvertently on the world\nof the present in which it is written, by setting up a world that, failing\nto differentiate significantly from that world, depicts its commonplaces\nas if they were inevitable." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Steampunk, then, is a combination of alternate history and science fiction.\n It is what we imagine the science fiction of the Victoria era might have\nbeen." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Put the word \"some\" before that sentence and I will have far less\ntrouble with it. But, some of the best steampunk (I think for example of\nAlan Moore's _League of Extraordinary Gentlemen_ -- not to be\nconfused with the grossly inferior movie based very loosely upon it)\ncan meet that description only by an inversion, because it uses our\ncurrent view backwards of the Victorian era in an ironic pose that would\nliterally not be possible to one living in that era. (Not that irony would not\nbe possible to a Victorian, you understand; only that this particular form\nof irony, based on a historical view of Victoriana, would not be possible\nwithout that perspective.)\n\nOf course, \"the science fiction of the Victorian era\" existed, in the work\nof Verne and others; it merely did not yet have a name, or an ironic\nview. That was introduced very specifically by Wells, whose early\nSF was very much \"about\" the world in which he wrote it (e.g., _The\nWar of the Worlds_ as commentary on colonialism, or _The Island of\nDoctor Moreau_ as commentary on \"vivisection\")." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Or to put it another way: in the present, we go back to the past to\nre-imagine the future." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Rather: in the present, we go back to an imagined (and usually\nexplicitly fictional) past to imagine its possible futures." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\n\nI once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile Island dressing in a\nrestaurant and, with great presence of mind, they brought Thousand\nIsland Dressing and a bottle of chili sauce. -- T. Pratchett" } ] }, { "message_id": "<482BA381.9020500@comcast.net>", "from": { "name": "Steven Hall", "address": "sghall at comcast.net" }, "date": "2008-05-15T02:44:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370805140906v7e08b4c2v129beaf387065c53@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l -\n\nTo paraphrase Stephen Colbert: \"Thanks for agreeing with me, and I \naccept your apology.\"\n\nActually, I agree with everything that you wrote to clarify and provide \nnuance for my statement about steampunk.\n\n(Well, everything except about _The Space Merchants_, that is; not that \nI disagree with you, but I am just not familiar with it enough to know \nthat it is about the advertising/marketing industry of the 1950s. So it \nwould be improper for me to claim to agree with that.)\n\nWhen I said that science fiction was about the present, I did not mean \nto imply that literally. Rather, I was just hoping to dash off some \nquick thoughts about steampunk and science fiction without taking the \nconversation even farther off topic than it already was.\n\nWhat I meant is that any evaluation of a work of science fiction usually \nreveals more about the time in which it was written than the future (or \npast, as the case may be) in which it is set.\n\nI'm pretty sure you would agree with this, as your post lists three \nexamples in support of this.\n\nThanks,\nSteve" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nOn Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Steven Hall wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "To add to this, science fiction is well understood to be about the present\nin which it was written, not the future." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I quibble: this is only true for some values of the words \"about,\" \"science\nfiction,\" and even \"is.\"\n\nI.e., there is no doubt that in some important sense _The Space Merchants_\n\"is about\" the advertising/marketing industry of the 1950s. But there is\nanother sense in which one can meaningfully say it is about a future\nextrapolated from that time.\n\nI would take a much more nuanced approach and say:\n\nScience fiction of any ambition comments deliberately on the world of\nthe present in which it is written, by setting up a contrafactual world\nin dialogue with that world.\n\nScience fiction lacking in ambition comments inadvertently on the world\nof the present in which it is written, by setting up a world that, failing\nto differentiate significantly from that world, depicts its commonplaces\nas if they were inevitable." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Steampunk, then, is a combination of alternate history and science fiction.\n It is what we imagine the science fiction of the Victoria era might have\nbeen." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Put the word \"some\" before that sentence and I will have far less\ntrouble with it. But, some of the best steampunk (I think for example of\nAlan Moore's _League of Extraordinary Gentlemen_ -- not to be\nconfused with the grossly inferior movie based very loosely upon it)\ncan meet that description only by an inversion, because it uses our\ncurrent view backwards of the Victorian era in an ironic pose that would\nliterally not be possible to one living in that era. (Not that irony would not\nbe possible to a Victorian, you understand; only that this particular form\nof irony, based on a historical view of Victoriana, would not be possible\nwithout that perspective.)\n\nOf course, \"the science fiction of the Victorian era\" existed, in the work\nof Verne and others; it merely did not yet have a name, or an ironic\nview. That was introduced very specifically by Wells, whose early\nSF was very much \"about\" the world in which he wrote it (e.g., _The\nWar of the Worlds_ as commentary on colonialism, or _The Island of\nDoctor Moreau_ as commentary on \"vivisection\")." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Or to put it another way: in the present, we go back to the past to\nre-imagine the future." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Rather: in the present, we go back to an imagined (and usually\nexplicitly fictional) past to imagine its possible futures." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Steven Hall\nsghall at comcast.net\n\nHelp me fight cancer at the East Nashville Relay for Life!\nhttp://main.acsevents.org/goto/StevenHall\nhttp://main.acsevents.org/goto/LSNA" } ] }, { "message_id": "<906B3B8A-5C28-4219-978C-BEF23F70BA74@comcast.net>", "from": { "name": "Steven", "address": "mcquaryq at comcast.net" }, "date": "2008-05-16T02:33:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "IMO -- Peace. And, of course, nearly all of the stories." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 13, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Chris Laybourn wrote:\nAlso - Is there a consensus on what Wolfe's best non-New Sun work is?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Steven" } ] }, { "message_id": "<925986.80323.qm@web63907.mail.re1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "recursive_loop at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2008-06-17T02:07:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Steampunk books", "in_reply_to": "<9f1507fc0805131117j26a0eea0ne9b6ec13acf9beef@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The first written \"steampunk\" I came across was \"The Difference Engine\" by Gibson and Sterling.\n\nAround the same time, I was running a SF-RPG called \"Space: 1889\". Mars had canals, heck there were \"men\" IN the Moon, various nations were trying to conquer space...\n\nThere's even a \"steampunk comic\":\n\nhttp://www.girlgeniusonline.com/\n\nI'm in love with Agatha!\n\n\n\nF.P. Kiesche III \"When you send a man out with a gun, you create a policymaker. When his ass is on the line, he will do whatever he needs to do...And if the implications of that bothers you, the time to do something about it is before you decide to send him out.\" (David Drake, Caught in the Crossfire) Blogging at TexasBestGrok!\n\n--- On Tue, 5/13/08, Kerry Benton <k.benton at gmail.com> wrote:\nFrom: Kerry Benton <k.benton at gmail.com>\nSubject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" <urth at lists.urth.net>\nDate: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 2:17 PM\n\nIt's basically a sort of homage to Jules Verne, et al in my mind.\n\nSteampunk fiction tends to anachronisms featuring steam power,\nclockwork, and other Victorian-era technology (and frequently societal\nelements) providing the impetus for machines and devices that are\nfirmly in the realm of science fiction (giant walking weapons\nplatforms, for example, as in the anime Steamboy).\n\nThat's my quick 2 cent synopsis, anyway ;)\n\n-k\n\nOn Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Chris Laybourn\n<laybournchris at hotmail.com> wrote:\n>\n> Sorry, I'm a little new. Can someone fill me in on\n\"steampunk?\"\n>\n> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:30:24 -0400\n> > From: k.benton at gmail.com\n> > To: urth at lists.urth.net\n> > CC: urth at urth.net\n> > Subject: Re: (urth) Steampunk books\n>\n>\n> >\n> > I'll second the rec. for MAINSPRING. I'm not a steampunk\naficionado\n> > by any stretch, but I quite enjoyed Lake's style and unexpectedly\n> > twisting story. Quite cool.\n> >\n> > -k\n> >\n> >\n> >\n> > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Nicholas Gevers\n<vermoulian at yahoo.com>\n> wrote:\n> > > In addition to the VanderMeer Steampunk reprint\n> > > anthology already mentioned in the current discussion,\n> > > I myself have an original steampunk anthology coming\n> > > out from Solaris in October: EXTRAORDINARY ENGINES.\n> > > All new stories from Kage Baker, Keith Brooke, Jeffrey\n> > > Ford, James Morrow, Ian R. MacLeod, Robert Reed, Jay\n> > > Lake, Adam Roberts, Marly Youmans, Jeff VanderMeer,\n> > > Margo Lanagan, and James Lovegrove.\n> > >\n> > > For Wolfe fans, I'd recommend Jay Lake's steampunk\n> > > novel MAINSPRING--he's a big Wolfe admirer, and there\n> > > are certainly Wolfean echoes in the book.\n> > >\n> > > Another steampunk epic worth reading is Brian\n> > > Stableford's Werewolves of London trilogy--lots of\n> > > metaphysics.\n> > >\n> > > --Nick Gevers.\n> > >\n> > >\n> > >\n> > > __________________________________________________________\n> > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail.\n> > > A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html\n> > > _______________________________________________\n> > > Urth Mailing List\n> > > To post, write urth at urth.net\n> > > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n> > >\n> > _______________________________________________\n> > Urth Mailing List\n> > To post, write urth at urth.net\n> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n>\n> ________________________________\n> Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. Start\n> sharing.\n> _______________________________________________\n> Urth Mailing List\n> To post, write urth at urth.net\n> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n>" } ] } ] }