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    "id": 5039,
    "subject": "Urth Digest, Vol 46, Issue 2",
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    "first": "2008-06-03T03:34:44+00:00",
    "last": "2008-06-03T03:34:44+00:00"
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      "from": {
        "name": "Telpeurion Telpeurion",
        "address": "telpeurion at mises.com"
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      "date": "2008-06-03T03:34:44+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 46, Issue 2",
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          "text": "I agree that it is the second manuscript that Wolfe \"recieved\". Severian\nsaid he would copy the second the exactly the same as the first: which would\ninclude his mention of making a copy on the ship. Just because a book refers\nto an event in the future tense does not mean it hasn't happened already. It\nseems clear to me that Severian left his narrative exactly the same with no\nadditions and nothing taken out."
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          "text": "On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:46 PM, <urth-request at lists.urth.net> wrote:\nSend Urth mailing list submissions to\n       urth at lists.urth.net\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\n       http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\n       urth-request at lists.urth.net\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\n       urth-owner at lists.urth.net\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of Urth digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n  1. Re:  Severian as a student (Dave Tallman)\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:35:58 -0600\nFrom: Dave Tallman <davetallman at msn.com>\nSubject: Re: (urth) Severian as a student\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nMessage-ID: <484386BE.5080200 at gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed\n\nRoy C. Lackey wrote:"
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          "text": "Again, what do you mean by \"rewrite\" and \"second chance\"? His original\nmanuscript was written shortly before boarding the Ship and sent to\nUltan.\nWhichever version Wolfe \"translated\", we have no means of comparing the\nShip\ncopy to the original. The events recounted in the manuscript were first\nwritten down ten years after Sev became autarch. There was no running\naccount made over the years that he could redact at leisure. The copy\nseems\nto have been written out only days or weeks after completing the original\nmanuscript."
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          "text": "Perhaps I am making an unjustified assumption, but I thought it was a\ngiven that the copy made on the time-traveling Ship was the only copy\nthat Wolfe could have obtained and \"translated.\" If the copy given to\nUltan is the version we are reading, then my point is not valid.\nSeverian could consult all the resources available to an Autarch to\nwrite the first one. If this is the second manuscript, it's too good in\nthe level of detail and style to be the work of a person with an\nordinary memory attempting to re-create the book they just wrote.\n\nEven though it was written soon after the other one, it still gave\nSeverian a second chance to notice \"Hey, what I wrote here is\ninconsistent with what I wrote there.\"  The fact that it was rewritten\nwithin a short time makes the inconsistencies even more strange. His\nmemory has to play tricks on him not only about the events themselves,\nbut in his memory of writing about them.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\n_______________________________________________"
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