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  "thread": {
    "id": 510,
    "subject": "Books etc.",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-04-23T19:18:43+00:00",
    "last": "1998-04-24T01:12:00+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0009-0773@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "al at interport.net"
      },
      "date": "1998-04-23T19:18:43+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Books etc.",
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          "text": "Oh nuts, I wasn't going to to post to the latest questions till I got in\ngear, but you've all started without me, so I'll have to jump in. In the\nfirst week of mantis's course, students should read THE JUNGLE BOOK and the\nTheseus story, preferably from Graves, but other renditions are acceptable.\nSince they have already read TBOTNS, they can also read the account of\nDaedelus and the talus, etc.in the same volume; it would be a spoiler if\nthey hadn't. The teacher should hand out appropriate selections from THE\nBOOK OF IMAGINARY BEINGS  (it's out of print) and FICCIONES, sticking to\nthose which are directly applicable (Baldanders etc.). Are we going to\nassume that the students know what sword & sorcery quest fiction is--i.e.\nwill they have at least read Tolkien? Will they have some notion of 19th\ncentury Gothic fiction? I think we've got to assume some prior knowledge of\nsf, that they won't be thrown by robots and androids.\n\nMaybe you could assign THE DYING EARTH  for this week too. This is an easy\nweek, I think. Selections for later weeks are going to get much tougher. And\nI'm not going to get started on them yet! Though I bet you guys will.\n\nmantis, you're right about how I feel about Bloom's adoration of ARCTURUS,\ndisconcerted. (I should explain to the group that Bloom was my MA thesis\nadvisor.) But part of that was my reaction to his own perfectly dreadful\n\"gnostic\" Lindsayesque novel, the title of which I have mercifully\nforgotten. I do not think ARCTURUS should be part of the syllabus, however;\nif others disagree, I'd sincerely like to know why. Violence is not enough.\n\n-alga-"
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0009-0774@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.geis.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-04-24T01:12:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Books etc.",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0009-0773@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Reply:  Item #2720808 from URTH at LISTS.BEST.COM@INTERNET#\n\nalga,\n\nTHE FLIGHT TO LUCIFER is the title you'd rather not remember. <evil\ngrin>\n\nI like your plan for Week One.  (The challenge or difficulty I think\nin trying to assemble a sillybus is that some books apply too\ngenerally and others too specifically to only one scene.)  THE DYING\nEARTH is appropriately general to TBOTNS and specific as well: the\ngeneral being the science fantasy decadent far future mileau, of\ncourse, and the specifics including how \"Ulan Dhor Ends a Dream\"\nlinks directly to the resurrection of the Stone Town at the end of\nCLAW; how \"T'sais\" and the magics which created her are echoed in\nthe experiments of Baldanders, Dr. Talos, and the Student; maybe\neven \"Liane the Wayfarer\" is Vodalus?\n\nTHE JUNGLE BOOK should be a fast and easy read, but maybe excerpts?\n\"Mowgli and His Brothers\" (if I've got the name right) is a must.\n\nOkay, excerpts from Borges BOIB and FICCIONES.  From BOIB:\n \"Baldanders\"\n \"The Chinese Phoenix\"\n \"The Crocotta and the Leucrocotta\" (too specific?)\n \"Fauna of Mirrors\"\n \"The Norns\"\n \"The Peryton\" (too specific?)\n \"The Phoenix\"\n \"The Salamander\" (too specific?)\n \"The Simurgh\" (too specific?)\n \"Talos\"\n \"The Uroboros\"\n\nHmmmm . . . THE DYING EARTH and THE JUNGLE BOOK and these extracts .\n. . the week should probably be called \"Oriental Fabulations:\nFabulous Orientations.\"\n\n=mantis="
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