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  "thread": {
    "id": 5122,
    "subject": "mora et al",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2008-08-02T01:03:27+00:00",
    "last": "2008-08-02T11:46:26+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<273600.46692.qm@web58215.mail.re3.yahoo.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Marc Aramini",
        "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-08-02T01:03:27+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) mora et al",
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          "text": "Dave , I agree jahlee attacks chenille after auk fixes the lander.  one point about your number fourteen: the island where the pit was was made up of giant trees - the scene made Horn terrified.  the pit he fell in was inside one of the vanished gods - the maw of the tree.  this proximity to the master race of vanished gods allowed him to travel - not an inhumi liana branch, which may or may not have gained sentience from their parasitic relationship with the vanished tree gods.\n\n\n      "
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      ]
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    {
      "message_id": "<7959.67.142.130.25.1217641541.squirrel@brunians.org>",
      "from": {
        "name": "brunians at brunians.org",
        "address": "brunians at brunians.org"
      },
      "date": "2008-08-02T01:45:41+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) mora et al",
      "in_reply_to": "<273600.46692.qm@web58215.mail.re3.yahoo.com>",
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          "text": "Very interesting.\n\nThe earliest layer of religion in the Old Testament is (according to some)\ntree worship.\n\n\n\n."
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          "text": "Dave , I agree jahlee attacks chenille after auk fixes the lander.  one\npoint about your number fourteen: the island where the pit was was made up\nof giant trees - the scene made Horn terrified.  the pit he fell in was\ninside one of the vanished gods - the maw of the tree.  this proximity to\nthe master race of vanished gods allowed him to travel - not an inhumi\nliana branch, which may or may not have gained sentience from their\nparasitic relationship with the vanished tree gods.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________"
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    {
      "message_id": "<48944912.4040502@gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dave Tallman",
        "address": "davetallman at msn.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-08-02T11:46:26+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) mora et al",
      "in_reply_to": "<273600.46692.qm@web58215.mail.re3.yahoo.com>",
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          "text": "Marc Aramini wrote:\nDave , I agree jahlee attacks chenille after auk fixes the lander.  one point about your number fourteen: the island where the pit was was made up of giant trees - the scene made Horn terrified.  the pit he fell in was inside one of the vanished gods - the maw of the tree.  this proximity to the master race of vanished gods allowed him to travel - not an inhumi liana branch, which may or may not have gained sentience from their parasitic relationship with the vanished tree gods.\n  "
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          "text": "That's a good observation about the pit being made up of Neighbor trees. \nThere had to be a strong Neighbor presence for Horn to be resurrected \nthere, and that probably enabled his first astral projection, too. I \nthink your Neighbor/tree and inhumi/liana theory is well-established in \nthe text.\n\nOn the matter of the reshaped ring, I tend to think of that as coming \nfrom within Horn rather than an outside force. It seems related to the \nfollowing:\n\n1) When astral-projecting, Horn can create and re-shape \"imaginary\" \nobjects and make them solid.\n2) He can manifest the light-ball in the real world sometimes.\n3) When he head Fava's story, Horn projected himself into it and changed it.\n\nJust as the Claw was not a real magical artifact until Severian made it \none, I think the ring Oreb found was nothing in itself. Unconsciously \nHorn wanted Seawrack's ring back, both for the connection to Seawrack \nand to the Neighbors. Gradually, his reshaping power made it so.\n\nI see the same thing happening to the pen case from Viron. He turned it \ninto a leather-and-pasteboard pen case like the one he used as a boy in \nthe school, but it started as a more durable and expensive \nleather-and-metal pen case owned by his father. He didn't want to \nacknowledge the debt to his father, so he fuzzed out the details in this \nmemory. I think Horn had a cold relationship with his father when he was \ngrowing up, which was replayed in his relationship to Sinew."
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