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  "thread": {
    "id": 5199,
    "subject": "RttW discrepancy?",
    "messages": 5,
    "voices": 4,
    "first": "2008-10-25T18:06:50+00:00",
    "last": "2008-10-28T10:03:57+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<39ed084f0810251106q4168832ew1b1009cefb41196b@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Matthew Groves",
        "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-10-25T18:06:50+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) RttW discrepancy?",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": " There is a possible discrepancy between HornSilk's description of his\narrival in the Whorl in In Green's Jungles, and that by Hoof, Daisy, Hide,\nand Vadsig at the beginning of Return to the Whorl. In HornSilk's version,\nas he leaves the house, \"It was a little after midday then, as well as I\ncould judge from the narrowing line of the Long Sun.\" (*IGJ* 127) In Hoof et\nal., \"He backed away from the knife and stumbled through the open door into\nthe darkest night ever known.\" (*RttW* 13-14)  Is this merely a compression\nof events by Hoof et al.\n\nMatt"
        }
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    {
      "message_id": "<001c01c937f5$d1fffea0$ddd14a0c@rclackey>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "2008-10-27T05:35:22+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) RttW discrepancy?",
      "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0810251106q4168832ew1b1009cefb41196b@mail.gmail.com>",
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          "text": "Matthew Groves wrote:\nThere is a possible discrepancy between HornSilk's description of his\narrival in the Whorl in In Green's Jungles, and that by Hoof, Daisy, Hide,\nand Vadsig at the beginning of Return to the Whorl. In HornSilk's version,\nas he leaves the house, \"It was a little after midday then, as well as I\ncould judge from the narrowing line of the Long Sun.\" (*IGJ* 127) In Hoof\net\nal., \"He backed away from the knife and stumbled through the open door\ninto\nthe darkest night ever known.\" (*RttW* 13-14)  Is this merely a\ncompression\nof events by Hoof et al."
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          "text": "The \"darkest night ever known\" had nothing to do with the Long Sun. It was\nthe dark night of Silk's soul.\n\n-Roy"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<4905A472.7090503@gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dave Tallman",
        "address": "davetallman at msn.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-10-27T11:22:26+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) RttW discrepancy?",
      "in_reply_to": "<001c01c937f5$d1fffea0$ddd14a0c@rclackey>",
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          "text": "Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nThe \"darkest night ever known\" had nothing to do with the Long Sun. It was\nthe dark night of Silk's soul.\n  "
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          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "That's plausible, but Silk does run into a genuine Long-Sun blackout in \nthe next section of their narrative, so Matthew's narrative compression \nidea may be right. It could also be that Silk forget about the lighted \ninterlude when he told Hoof, Hide, and Daisy about this later."
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    {
      "message_id": "<006401c938c3$4a60b600$5cd24a0c@rclackey>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "2008-10-28T06:06:10+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) RttW discrepancy?",
      "in_reply_to": "<4905A472.7090503@gmail.com>",
      "reply_link": "header",
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          "text": "Dave Tallman quoted and wrote:\nThe \"darkest night ever known\" had nothing to do with the Long Sun. It\nwas\nthe dark night of Silk's soul."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "That's plausible, but Silk does run into a genuine Long-Sun blackout in\nthe next section of their narrative, so Matthew's narrative compression\nidea may be right. It could also be that Silk forget about the lighted\ninterlude when he told Hoof, Hide, and Daisy about this later."
        },
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          "text": "The \"darkest night ever known\" bit is a metaphor. Two page inches above the\nquote mentions \"the hot sunshine streaming through the open door into the\npoor little room.\" It was by that light that he saw the knife that he\nrecoiled and backed away from and \"stumbled through the open door into the\ndarkest night ever known.\"\n\n-Roy"
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      "message_id": "<b12d82080810280303q6234c1a0v339098a439de9ed3@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Mr Thalassocrat",
        "address": "thalassocrat08 at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-10-28T10:03:57+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) RttW discrepancy?",
      "in_reply_to": "<006401c938c3$4a60b600$5cd24a0c@rclackey>",
      "reply_link": "header",
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Roy C. Lackey <rclackey at stic.net> wrote:\nDave Tallman quoted and wrote:"
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          "depth": 3,
          "text": "The \"darkest night ever known\" had nothing to do with the Long Sun. It\nwas\nthe dark night of Silk's soul."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "That's plausible, but Silk does run into a genuine Long-Sun blackout in\nthe next section of their narrative, so Matthew's narrative compression\nidea may be right. It could also be that Silk forget about the lighted\ninterlude when he told Hoof, Hide, and Daisy about this later."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The \"darkest night ever known\" bit is a metaphor. Two page inches above the\nquote mentions \"the hot sunshine streaming through the open door into the\npoor little room.\" It was by that light that he saw the knife that he\nrecoiled and backed away from and \"stumbled through the open door into the\ndarkest night ever known.\""
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          "text": "But if you looked only to RTTW surely you'd assume that the sun went out\njust as he was leaving the manse.  Bright sunlight when he found himself in\nSilk, switching to dark as he left, groping blindly amongst trees in the\nnext scene. Taking into account the IGJ passage, I like the compression\nexplanation best. But maybe it's not that important."
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