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  "thread": {
    "id": 5200,
    "subject": "Urth Digest, Vol 50, Issue 42",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2008-10-26T17:22:27+00:00",
    "last": "2008-10-27T12:06:33+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<6.2.1.2.1.20081026111111.02c4af30@pop.central.cox.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan",
        "address": "autarch at cox.net"
      },
      "date": "2008-10-26T17:22:27+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 50, Issue 42",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "At 12:37 PM 10/25/2008, you wrote:\nI know they said Woldercon was really far away, but outside the galaxy?\nWhen I read that, I got the sinking impression she really wasn't going\nthere and was perhaps comitting suicide."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "She sent an ethermail to Gid telling him she was coming there. I see no\nreason for such an expensive way to commit suicide as buying a hopper\nand taking off for galaxies unknown. If Woldercan was outside the galaxy\none has to wonder how it was ever found. There's a lot of space out\nthere between galaxies..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I don't think Woldercan is outside the galaxy. My statement was one of \nincredulity. I've since reread the last two paragraphs and suppose a great \ndeal of time passed between them. I'd assume that she visited Gid on \nWoldercan and realized he didn't really love her. Distraught over the loss \nof both men in her life, her career, her faithless friends, health, youth \netc etc, she set off on a one way trip to oblivion. What she said to Gid \nabout driving his hopper would seem to resonate with this method of suicide.\n\nOne could try to make the case that Gid took pity on her and maybe told or \ntaught her what she could do to resurrect Wally somewhere where the laws of \nphysics would allow it.  But the last line doesn't seem to be an invocation \nas much as a cry of despair."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Plus I don't understand why he just gave up and surrendered to the\nislanders or devise some way to rescue her. I need to reread that section\nagain."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "As king Bill may have felt he had to take personal responsibility for\nthe terrible unexpected collateral damage to the islands he ruled. He\nhas some moral feelings, even though he normally justifies everything he\ndoes for the greater good."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Or he was just artfully maneuvered into his death by Chase. This may have \nbeen the true goal all along. Reread is in progress... "
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<4905AEC9.3030806@gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dave Tallman",
        "address": "davetallman at msn.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-10-27T12:06:33+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 50, Issue 42",
      "in_reply_to": "<6.2.1.2.1.20081026111111.02c4af30@pop.central.cox.net>",
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      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Dan wrote:\nI don't think Woldercan is outside the galaxy. My statement was one of \nincredulity. I've since reread the last two paragraphs and suppose a great \ndeal of time passed between them. I'd assume that she visited Gid on \nWoldercan and realized he didn't really love her. Distraught over the loss \nof both men in her life, her career, her faithless friends, health, youth \netc etc, she set off on a one way trip to oblivion. What she said to Gid \nabout driving his hopper would seem to resonate with this method of suicide.\n  "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I think Gid still loved her even after the loss of her mojo, but she \nmight not love him, at least not enough to turn from her grief over \nBill. The Pygmalion reference on p. 81 suggests this is an Eliza / Henry \n/ Freddy love triangle. In the original play, Eliza marries Freddy."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "One could try to make the case that Gid took pity on her and maybe told or \ntaught her what she could do to resurrect Wally somewhere where the laws of \nphysics would allow it.  But the last line doesn't seem to be an invocation \nas much as a cry of despair.\n  "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Even with different laws of physics I doubt Gil would think they could \nresurrect the dead. But if she got far enough away and could send an \nethermail she might be able to send Bill messages back in time, and \nmight hope to change the past. From the point of view of an object \nmoving relative to us a long distance away, events that are in the past \nto us can be present or future to it. The paradoxes involved are one \nreason that relativity does not allow FTL travel or messages. Wolfe \ninstead allows FTL and the time paradoxes."
        }
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