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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5210, "subject": "Silk is Calde!", "messages": 28, "voices": 14, "first": "2008-11-05T08:13:08+00:00", "last": "2010-01-17T23:56:39+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<3e1fa2e90811050013o4df013f0m372ff54b90454e40@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Paul B", "address": "pb.stuff at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T08:13:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Tonight's events make me want to chalk it on walls. I should think that\neven those who are opposed to Obama might find his image in the eyes of many\nto be similar to that of Silk for many of the Vironese!\n\nPaul" } ] }, { "message_id": "<49118A22.3020100@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dave Tallman", "address": "davetallman at msn.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T11:57:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<3e1fa2e90811050013o4df013f0m372ff54b90454e40@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Paul B. wrote:\nTonight's events make me want to chalk it on walls. I should think that\neven those who are opposed to Obama might find his image in the eyes of many\nto be similar to that of Silk for many of the Vironese" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Indeed. Things didn't work out quite as well as the Vironese hoped in \nthe case of Silk, however:\n\n1) People expected miracles and the favor of the gods when Silk himself \nhad lost faith.\n2) It was soon business as usual for the corrupt Ayuntamiento.\n2) Silk reached out for allies in a neighboring country, only to find \nthey had a hostile agenda of their own.\n3) Many who followed his lead went to a greener world and found the \nenvironment quite hostile.\n4) Silk was far less popular on leaving office than when he started.\n\nI hope things work out better for this Calde..." } ] }, { "message_id": "<93d4039f0811050634y23eb696s173b5452eb2e15fa@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T14:34:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<3e1fa2e90811050013o4df013f0m372ff54b90454e40@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was rooting, a little less than whole-heartedly, for the other guy.\nBut certainly congratulations are in order for a historic night and a\nremarkable man.\n\nI wonder how that guy in Barrington feels. Although right of center, I\ngot the impression from AEG that Wolfe was pretty disaffected with\nBush." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 11/5/08, Paul B wrote:\nTonight's events make me want to chalk it on walls. I should think that\neven those who are opposed to Obama might find his image in the eyes of many\nto be similar to that of Silk for many of the Vironese!\n\nPaul" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "<7072.67.142.130.25.1225897755.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2008-11-05T15:09:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<93d4039f0811050634y23eb696s173b5452eb2e15fa@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I was rooting, a little less than whole-heartedly, for the other guy.\nBut certainly congratulations are in order for a historic night and a\nremarkable man." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I wonder how that guy in Barrington feels. Although right of center, I\ngot the impression from AEG that Wolfe was pretty disaffected with\nBush." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "A person can be disaffected at Bush and still be quite concerned as to\nwhat an untried liberal Democrat who came up out of what is perhaps the\nwackiest urban political scene ever invented might think is a good thing\nto do, with the best will in the world.\n\nPersonally, I think that Gene Wolfe is a relatively profound political\nphilosopher.\n\n\n\n\n." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T15:12:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<7072.67.142.130.25.1225897755.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:09 AM,\n wrote:\nI was rooting, a little less than whole-heartedly, for the other guy.\nBut certainly congratulations are in order for a historic night and a\nremarkable man." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I wonder how that guy in Barrington feels. Although right of center, I\ngot the impression from AEG that Wolfe was pretty disaffected with\nBush." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niEYEAREKAAYFAkkRt+oACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oKZqgCdGE//2UA/qKAPwwY5Kj4yTvk2\nfmUAnjxdkVwJJWAClS/lgiE7OEy/zQGw\n=Vly3\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "A person can be disaffected at Bush and still be quite concerned as to\nwhat an untried liberal Democrat who came up out of what is perhaps the\nwackiest urban political scene ever invented might think is a good thing\nto do, with the best will in the world.\n\nPersonally, I think that Gene Wolfe is a relatively profound political\nphilosopher." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't. He's said too many silly things in interviews for me to take\nhim seriously on these sorts of things, like 'the West doesn't torture\nanimals or make fun of minorities and handicapped people because we're\nChristian' (to paraphrase)." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "<93d4039f0811050757y10186607t56dda1c0d78276ef@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T15:57:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "A person can be disaffected at Bush and still be quite concerned as to\nwhat an untried liberal Democrat who came up out of what is perhaps the\nwackiest urban political scene ever invented might think is a good thing\nto do, with the best will in the world.\n\nPersonally, I think that Gene Wolfe is a relatively profound political\nphilosopher." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I don't. He's said too many silly things in interviews for me to take\nhim seriously on these sorts of things, like 'the West doesn't torture\nanimals or make fun of minorities and handicapped people because we're\nChristian' (to paraphrase)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I wonder about those interviews. They certainly seem sillier than the\npolitical stuff at work in his novels, particularly Long Sun. I think\nhe likes saying things for effect." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<272706220811050802wc153c89qbebdd2fc260774d6@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T16:02:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<93d4039f0811050757y10186607t56dda1c0d78276ef@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There's always a chance he was being sarcastic. That doesn't always come\nacross in print well.\n\n-L." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:57 AM, John Watkins wrote:\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "A person can be disaffected at Bush and still be quite concerned as to\nwhat an untried liberal Democrat who came up out of what is perhaps the\nwackiest urban political scene ever invented might think is a good\nthing\nto do, with the best will in the world.\n\nPersonally, I think that Gene Wolfe is a relatively profound political\nphilosopher." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I don't. He's said too many silly things in interviews for me to take\nhim seriously on these sorts of things, like 'the West doesn't torture\nanimals or make fun of minorities and handicapped people because we're\nChristian' (to paraphrase)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I wonder about those interviews. They certainly seem sillier than the\npolitical stuff at work in his novels, particularly Long Sun. I think\nhe likes saying things for effect." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<775078.90635.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-11-05T16:02:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<3e1fa2e90811050013o4df013f0m372ff54b90454e40@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Looks like my writing \"Silk for Calde\" on the walls of venues around the worls and in bathroom stalls in truck stops worked!!!\n\nWell, maybe not, but I hope one of you see's one someday..\n\nA great day!!\n\nStuart\n\n???? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Paul B wrote:\nFrom: Paul B \nSubject: (urth) Silk is Calde!\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:13 AM\n\nTonight's events make me want to chalk it on walls. I should think that even those who are opposed to Obama might find his image in the eyes of many to be similar to that of Silk for many of the Vironese!\n\nPaul" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10811050911n539bb6d0r2ece95f3efcc58b8@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T17:11:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<93d4039f0811050634y23eb696s173b5452eb2e15fa@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, John Watkins wrote:\nI was rooting, a little less than whole-heartedly, for the other guy.\nBut certainly congratulations are in order for a historic night and a\nremarkable man." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was rooting for McCain too, but there are quite a few things to look\nforward to in an Obama presidency. Still, it was no fun being a\nconservative on this campus last night. No fun at all." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I wonder how that guy in Barrington feels. Although right of center, I\ngot the impression from AEG that Wolfe was pretty disaffected with\nBush." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree, but I think there are also indications in there that he's\nannoyed with certain aspects of the Democratic Party. Like their\npolicy on abortion.\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T18:41:20+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<272706220811050802wc153c89qbebdd2fc260774d6@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:\nThere's always a chance he was being sarcastic. That doesn't always come\nacross in print well.\n\n-L." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No. He's quite serious about it.\n\n\"JJ: That is an interesting perspective on it, I hadn't thought of at\nall. My wife had one of her professors that taught in a Moslem country\nfor a while and said he woke up one day and saw the children had a\nbunch of kittens they were throwing up in the air and hitting them\nwith a baseball bat against the wall and the mothers just sat by and\nwatched. He said \"I am not a Christian, I am an atheist, but I am a\nChristian in that I could not tolerate that.\" There has been an\ninfluence in our society that has made us different from pagans.\n\nGW: We vastly underestimate the importance of Jesus. We think we\ndon't. We have all these churches and we say how can we be\nunderestimating Jesus? We don't until we start trying to figure out\nwhat it would be like if he had never lived. When you really start\ntrying to figure out what it would be like if He never lived you\nrealize that He is a much more pivotal figure than we give him credit\nfor. All of these people, everybody at this convention is in that\nsense a Christian although most of them would tell you that they are\nnot and some of them would tell them quite truthfully that they were\nJews who practice Judaism in one of its various forms and so on and so\nforth. Nevertheless they have been influenced by Christ much more than\nthey realized. We are very lucky to have had Him. We are very\nfortunate. A friend of mine learned to read Turkish. And he got hold\nof a Turkish joke book and read it. And I said, \"What were the jokes\nlike?\" He said it was horrible. They were all about ugly tricks that\nwere being played on blind people and things like that. This is what\nwe have escaped from and we don't realize that it is there and we came\nvery close to falling into it. We very easily could have and we still\nmay.\"\n\nhttp://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2tmhh/wolfejbj.html\n\nYes, that's right folks. Jesus saves [us from being cruel to animals\nand the blind].\n\n- --\ngwern\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niEYEAREKAAYFAkkR6M4ACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oK4zACfYI3kyMHHbfxySIo6D8hkP0Wk\n9iYAniKMIGEjgSJ7rBmBB4OzE1sO72xj\n=FwYa\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2008-11-05T18:43:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I agree, but I think there are also indications in there that he's\nannoyed with certain aspects of the Democratic Party. Like their\npolicy on abortion.\n\n-Matt" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "QUITE a lot to be annoyed with in BOTH parties, IMHO." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T19:00:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I agree, but I think there are also indications in there that he's\nannoyed with certain aspects of the Democratic Party. Like their\npolicy on abortion.\n\n-Matt" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niEYEAREKAAYFAkkR7VQACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oJ7LgCdENwATDiE4Bpq4GS7XLB8IgN8\nyJgAn0eBaRFfVPVpl+vvOdoJIqcIM/Vx\n=tSAX\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "QUITE a lot to be annoyed with in BOTH parties, IMHO." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Some of his interviews do indicate that, yes. For example, he has an\ninteresting rant on how drilling for oil is an incredible & colossal\nwaste of resources because oil is 'for so much more than just\nburning'; and he also expresses considerable disappointment in the\nanemic space program.\n\n(I have all these interview pages photocopied from _Shadows of the New\nSun_, and I keep meaning to systematically go through them and improve\nWikipedia articles using them but they're in a real mess and I can't\nfind anything in them.)" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "<8476d0320811051111i190c8020i4e534f33f89c717d@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Bruce Hayles", "address": "brucehayles at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T19:11:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The interview you quoted is available online. Are all the interviews in\nShadows of the New Sun available online?\nbruce" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512\n\nOn Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I agree, but I think there are also indications in there that he's\nannoyed with certain aspects of the Democratic Party. Like their\npolicy on abortion.\n\n-Matt\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "iEYEAREKAAYFAkkR7VQACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oJ7LgCdENwATDiE4Bpq4GS7XLB8IgN8\nyJgAn0eBaRFfVPVpl+vvOdoJIqcIM/Vx\n=tSAX\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "QUITE a lot to be annoyed with in BOTH parties, IMHO." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Some of his interviews do indicate that, yes. For example, he has an\ninteresting rant on how drilling for oil is an incredible & colossal\nwaste of resources because oil is 'for so much more than just\nburning'; and he also expresses considerable disappointment in the\nanemic space program.\n\n(I have all these interview pages photocopied from _Shadows of the New\nSun_, and I keep meaning to systematically go through them and improve\nWikipedia articles using them but they're in a real mess and I can't\nfind anything in them.)\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370811051132l5cef5297me08a2591401d412d@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T19:32:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<8476d0320811051111i190c8020i4e534f33f89c717d@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "One thing about this election that I think GW would appreciate.\n\nA nation lives by its myths about itself. One of America's myths about\nitself\nis that \"anybody can grow up to be President.\"\n\nThis year, we made that a little bit truer. Not just with the election of\nObama,\nbut with the taking-seriously of the candidacies of Hillary Clinton and\nSarah\nPalin, we eliminated the hidden truth: \"...as long as they're a white male.\"\n\nThere are still barriers. An openly gay, Muslim, or atheistic person still\nprobably can't be President. But today our myth about ourselves is just\na little bit truer than it was yesterday.\n\nEvery nation has myths about itself, but America actually seems to\nlurch, a little backwards, a little forwards, towards making its myths\nabout itself true." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\n\nI once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile Island dressing in a restaurant\nand, with great presence of mind, they brought Thousand Island Dressing and\na bottle of chili sauce. -- T. Pratchett" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T19:34:23+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<8476d0320811051111i190c8020i4e534f33f89c717d@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Bruce Hayles\n wrote:\nThe interview you quoted is available online. Are all the interviews in\nShadows of the New Sun available online?\nbruce" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No. Some are, but many aren't. For example, I just tried googling some\nquotes from an interview by Nick Gevers and by Melissa Mia Hall, and\nno dice.\n\nIt's a pity, because some of the material is really good. For example,\nGene's essay \"Books in The Book of the New Sun\" has a lot of\ninteresting material on the Ultan scene. I quote the end:\n\n\"...In writing the legends, I have supposed facts and old stories to\nhave become confused with others, a rascally technique which has\nearned me at least one vehement accusation of plagiarism.* Thus, for\nexample, the custom of an academic thesis is confounded with the\nlegend of Theseus in \"The Tale of the Student and His Son.'\nThe fourth book, as the astute reader will have guessed long ago, is\n_The Book of the New Sun_ itself. And now we are come again to the\nnotion of recurrence, of the library folded in upon itself like the\nKlein bottle. This notion of recurrence seems to me to circle our\nEarth (you may spell it as you like) like the Midgard serpent which\nclasps its tail in its mouth and is brother to the wolf Fenris. For\nthe library of Master Ultan is in _The Book of the New Sun_, and _The\nBook of the New Sun_ is in his library. And you are the readers of\nthat book.\"\n\nSome of his essays like \"Nor the Summers as Golden: Writing\nMultivolume Works\" are just intrinsically interesting. I would quote\nthe ending from that as well, since it was an very eloquent one, but\nit appears I forgot to make a copy. :(\n\n* This is a reference to *another* interview, in which Wolfe mentions\na person who wrote to him about TBotNS's 'Frog' story, saying that 'no\none else saw it, but I saw how you stole from Kipling there'. Wolfe\nreplies, I'm glad you liked it and could appreciate it. The fellow\nresponds, 'Don't do it again.'\n\n- --\ngwern\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niEYEAREKAAYFAkkR9T0ACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oKIQACeK9Qh6KBa0oYO6iThk7rSWwTf\nU4oAnRI7VhMiz9hQ0ttciFPKj39dbufP\n=YsqL\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10811051135u41b016bcraf1091824acef73@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T19:35:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370811051132l5cef5297me08a2591401d412d@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nOne thing about this election that I think GW would appreciate.\n\nEvery nation has myths about itself, but America actually seems to\nlurch, a little backwards, a little forwards, towards making its myths\nabout itself true." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Agreed. There's a lot to be happy about even if your candidate lost\n(mine did). Anyone else see this story?\nhttp://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1370390.html\n\nIt brought a tear to my conservative eye.\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2008-11-05T19:42:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10811051135u41b016bcraf1091824acef73@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I like that post about the myth being truer today. A very nice antidote for my cynicism. I voted for Obama, but I don't really believe the hype, even though I would like to." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It brought a tear to my conservative eye.\n\n-Matt" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "One things for sure, (and no offense to you in particular Matt)\nwe need to stop labeling ourselves as Conservative or Liberal.\nWe as a people have so much common ground, we shouldn't let extremists get away with polarizing WE into US & THEM. They pull us away from our commonality.\n\nFurthermore, they're sort of useless. \"Conservatives\" usually espouse \"Liberal\" economics. \"Liberals\" often unwittingly support policies that reek of modern fascism.\n\nAnyone, with ANY sense, is conservative about some things and liberal about others." } ] }, { "message_id": "<12711.67.142.130.33.1225914780.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2008-11-05T19:53:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Furthermore, they're sort of useless. \"Conservatives\" usually espouse\n\"Liberal\" economics. \"Liberals\" often unwittingly support policies that\nreek of modern fascism.\n\nAnyone, with ANY sense, is conservative about some things and liberal\nabout others." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Are you saying that anyone, with any sense is liberal about some things\nand fascist about some others?\n\n\n\n." } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10811051159t2c28ee02gf4cf9f4130cb2b0e@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T19:59:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Son of Witz wrote:\nOne things for sure, (and no offense to you in particular Matt)\nwe need to stop labeling ourselves as Conservative or Liberal.\nWe as a people have so much common ground, we shouldn't let extremists get away with polarizing WE into US & THEM. They pull us away from our commonality.\n\nAnyone, with ANY sense, is conservative about some things and liberal about others." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think we're in agreement here - I'm generally fairly \"conservative\",\nbut I support quite a few \"liberal\" policies. I'm certainly not a\nproponent of \"my party, right or wrong\". It's why I try and read\nwriters and thinker from both ends of the political spectrum - I feel\nyou end up closer to the truth. And last I checked, truth was\nnon-partisan.\n\nI do tend to think that American politics as practiced today is\nproblematic: There are only two viable parties, so it becomes very\neasy to split the country into red and blue, us and them, conservative\nand liberal, etc.\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<213658b00811051250ob8058d4u4e5d6022b6a0fb1d@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Daniel Slatkin", "address": "palundrium at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-05T20:50:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10811051159t2c28ee02gf4cf9f4130cb2b0e@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "What really irks me is when people vote one way or another simply\nbecause they belong to the party. I saw somebody passing around a\nflyer from the California Republican Party. It was a \"voting guide\"\nfor Republicans to the propositions, what to vote yes on, what to vote\nno on, and with no reason as to why.\n\nDaniel" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Matthew Keeley\n wrote:\nOn Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "One things for sure, (and no offense to you in particular Matt)\nwe need to stop labeling ourselves as Conservative or Liberal.\nWe as a people have so much common ground, we shouldn't let extremists get away with polarizing WE into US & THEM. They pull us away from our commonality.\n\nAnyone, with ANY sense, is conservative about some things and liberal about others." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I think we're in agreement here - I'm generally fairly \"conservative\",\nbut I support quite a few \"liberal\" policies. I'm certainly not a\nproponent of \"my party, right or wrong\". It's why I try and read\nwriters and thinker from both ends of the political spectrum - I feel\nyou end up closer to the truth. And last I checked, truth was\nnon-partisan.\n\nI do tend to think that American politics as practiced today is\nproblematic: There are only two viable parties, so it becomes very\neasy to split the country into red and blue, us and them, conservative\nand liberal, etc.\n\n-Matt\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2008-11-05T22:07:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<213658b00811051250ob8058d4u4e5d6022b6a0fb1d@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Furthermore, they're sort of useless. \"Conservatives\" usually espouse\n\"Liberal\" economics. \"Liberals\" often unwittingly support policies that\nreek of modern fascism.\n\nAnyone, with ANY sense, is conservative about some things and liberal\nabout others." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Are you saying that anyone, with any sense is liberal about some things\nand fascist about some others?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No.\nI'm saying what I said." } ] }, { "message_id": "<839971.59768.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-11-05T23:42:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You know, a good friend Billy Sheehan? ( a Rush Limbaugh listening.conservative- scientologist for Pete's sake...) said that there is probably more that we all agree on than we disagree...\nI consider myself a Liberal until I leave SF. come ome and see what passes for acceptable behavior...how long to you think Critical Mass would last in NYC???\n\nSure likes Obama's positive speach rather than McCain eliciting boos from the crowd by mentioning my home town in a condescending way..\n\nAnyway, I have a question about umbrellas in the BotLS in the chapter about the black mechanics....has this topic been explored?\n\nStuart\n\n???? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "From: Son of Witz \nSubject: Re: (urth) Silk is Calde!\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 2:07 PM\nFurthermore, they're sort of useless. \"Conservatives\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "usually espouse" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "\"Liberal\" economics. \"Liberals\" often unwittingly\nsupport policies that\nreek of modern fascism.\n\nAnyone, with ANY sense, is conservative about some things and liberal\nabout others." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Are you saying that anyone, with any sense is liberal about some things\nand fascist about some others?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No.\nI'm saying what I said." } ] }, { "message_id": "<3e1fa2e90811051843ye01f1efw809dd7743df9a6c0@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Paul B", "address": "pb.stuff at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-06T02:43:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<839971.59768.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Incidentally, if you're interested, a while ago I'd hacked together my own\n\"Silk for Calde\" bumper sticker in photoshop. I've been driving around with\nit for some time, but not with nearly as much pleasure as today.\nhttp://www.stwing.org/~pborochi/Img/Silk_bumper.jpg\nJust print it out on 8.5x11, attach and cover it with clear packing tape,\nand it comes out nice and weatherproof.\n\nPaul" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nYou know, a good friend Billy Sheehan ( a Rush Limbaugh\nlistening.conservative- scientologist for Pete's sake...) said that there is\nprobably more that we all agree on than we disagree...\nI consider myself a Liberal until I leave SF. come ome and see what passes\nfor acceptable behavior...how long to you think Critical Mass would last in\nNYC???\n\nSure likes Obama's positive speach rather than McCain eliciting boos from\nthe crowd by mentioning my home town in a condescending way..\n\nAnyway, I have a question about umbrellas in the BotLS in the chapter about\nthe black mechanics....has this topic been explored?\n\nStuart\n\n Mobile (415) 786-3624\n Skype stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On *Wed, 11/5/08, Son of Witz * wrote:\n\nFrom: Son of Witz \nSubject: Re: (urth) Silk is Calde!\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 2:07 PM" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Furthermore, they're sort of useless. \"Conservatives\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "usually\n espouse\n\"Liberal\" economics. \"Liberals\" often unwittingly\nsupport policies that\nreek of modern fascism." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Anyone, with ANY sense, is conservative about some things and liberal\nabout others." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Are you saying that anyone, with any sense is liberal about some things\nand fascist about some others?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "No.\nI'm saying what I said.\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-06T02:58:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<839971.59768.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Anyway, I have a question about umbrellas in the BotLS \nin the chapter about the black mechanics....has this topic been explored?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Robert Borski had some theories related to Hyacinth's umbrella. That's the only metion I remember." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kurt Schwind", "address": "kurt.schwind at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-01-15T15:06:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<3e1fa2e90811051843ye01f1efw809dd7743df9a6c0@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I love replying to messages from 2 years ago.\n\nAt any rate, I loved the bumper sticker so much I looked for a \"Silk for\nCald?!\" tshirt and couldnt' find one, so I just made on on Zazzle.\n\nIf anyone knows how to turn off the 10% markup, let me know.\n\nhttp://www.zazzle.com/silk_for_calde_tshirt-235832584652925582\n\n\nI really did it for myself, but if someone else wants one, go ahead." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Kurt Schwind \nhttp://tangentialcold.com\n\nMany Bothans died to bring us this information" } ] }, { "message_id": "<666407.34331.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2010-01-15T15:40:20+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Surprisingly, in all the time I have had the \"Silk for Calde\" sticker on my car not one other driver had honked and gestured wildly to show solidarity and understanding....\n\n???????? ? ? ?? ~S~?Mobile — (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype? stuart.hamm\n? ?? \n\n\n--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Kurt Schwind wrote:\n\nFrom: Kurt Schwind \nSubject: Re: (urth) Silk is Calde!\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:06 AM\n\nI love replying to messages from 2 years ago. \n\nAt any rate, I loved the bumper sticker so much I looked for a \"Silk for Cald?!\" tshirt and couldnt' find one, so I just made on on Zazzle.\n\nIf anyone knows how to turn off the 10% markup, let me know.\n\n\n\nhttp://www.zazzle.com/silk_for_calde_tshirt-235832584652925582\n\n\nI really did it for myself, but if someone else wants one, go ahead." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Kurt Schwind ?\nhttp://tangentialcold.com\n\nMany Bothans died to bring us this information\n\n\n\n\n-----Inline Attachment Follows-----" } ] }, { "message_id": "<3e1fa2e91001151010w3a258c06lf848df3e4e56c926@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Paul B", "address": "pb.stuff at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-01-15T18:10:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<666407.34331.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Haha, same in my case. I suppose to the uninitiated it might seem like my\nbumper sticker proposes a shipment of fabric to some place or person named\nCalde, which is hard to get excited about.\n\nPaul" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nSurprisingly, in all the time I have had the \"Silk for Calde\" sticker on my\ncar not one other driver had honked and gestured wildly to show solidarity\nand understanding....\n\n ~S~\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\n*STUHAMM.COM*\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n\n\n--- On *Fri, 1/15/10, Kurt Schwind * wrote:\n\n\nFrom: Kurt Schwind \n\nSubject: Re: (urth) Silk is Calde!\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:06 AM\n\n\nI love replying to messages from 2 years ago.\n\nAt any rate, I loved the bumper sticker so much I looked for a \"Silk for\nCald?!\" tshirt and couldnt' find one, so I just made on on Zazzle.\n\nIf anyone knows how to turn off the 10% markup, let me know.\n\nhttp://www.zazzle.com/silk_for_calde_tshirt-235832584652925582\n\n\nI really did it for myself, but if someone else wants one, go ahead.\n\n\n\n\n--\nKurt Schwind " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "http://tangentialcold.com\n\nMany Bothans died to bring us this information\n\n-----Inline Attachment Follows-----\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1507188894-1263772595-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1636007990-@bda610.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "from": { "name": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2010-01-17T23:56:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Silk is Calde!", "in_reply_to": "<3e1fa2e91001151010w3a258c06lf848df3e4e56c926@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "LOL\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Paul B \nDate: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:10:55 \nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nSubject: Re: (urth) Silk is Calde!" } ] } ] }