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  "thread": {
    "id": 5215,
    "subject": "silk for calde bumpersticker",
    "messages": 4,
    "voices": 4,
    "first": "2008-11-06T17:51:22+00:00",
    "last": "2008-11-06T19:48:28+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<s912da4d.065@azrael.olivet.edu>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Stephen Case",
        "address": "scase at olivet.edu"
      },
      "date": "2008-11-06T17:51:22+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) silk for calde bumpersticker",
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          "text": "Regarding the \"Silk for Calde\" bumpersticker:  this is great!  I will immediately print it off and attach to the back of my Metropolitan . . . that is, unless anyone has a version that looks a bit more \"spray-painted\" (or, I should say, \"chalked\").\n\nRegarding the posts on politics, the first thing that struck me when I read Marc's post was also the exchange between Severian and Malrubius on the forms of government.  To me (who doesn't know much about Gene's political leanings) this seems to me more of a summation of a Christian (or at least Catholic) view of the ideal government (realized, of course, in the Church).  I think Gene might say something about Christians remembering that democracy isn't actually the most \"Christian\" form of government.  Like Malrubius gets Severian to realize, it's monarchy.  Of course, to a Christian the perfect monarch would be Christ.\n\nA simple interpretation, to be sure, but that's how this passage has always struck me: a very Chestertonian explanation of a Christian view of politics.\n\n-Steve"
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      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<3e1fa2e90811060958m21b29c7dmc33f0e946a4075b3@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Paul B",
        "address": "pb.stuff at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-11-06T17:58:10+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) silk for calde bumpersticker",
      "in_reply_to": "<s912da4d.065@azrael.olivet.edu>",
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          "text": "Yes, white-on-black is about as close as I was able to get to a \"chalked\"\nfeeling, assuming chalk is white.  It's possible to get it a bit better by\nblurring the letter edges a bit, or swapping the black background for\nsomething close to shiprock, but if you're going to print it on a regular\nprinter and view it from 10+ feet away, there's really little point.\n\nPaul"
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          "text": "On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Stephen Case <scase at olivet.edu> wrote:\nRegarding the \"Silk for Calde\" bumpersticker:  this is great!  I will\nimmediately print it off and attach to the back of my Metropolitan . . .\nthat is, unless anyone has a version that looks a bit more \"spray-painted\"\n(or, I should say, \"chalked\").\n\nRegarding the posts on politics, the first thing that struck me when I read\nMarc's post was also the exchange between Severian and Malrubius on the\nforms of government.  To me (who doesn't know much about Gene's political\nleanings) this seems to me more of a summation of a Christian (or at least\nCatholic) view of the ideal government (realized, of course, in the Church).\n I think Gene might say something about Christians remembering that\ndemocracy isn't actually the most \"Christian\" form of government.  Like\nMalrubius gets Severian to realize, it's monarchy.  Of course, to a\nChristian the perfect monarch would be Christ.\n\nA simple interpretation, to be sure, but that's how this passage has always\nstruck me: a very Chestertonian explanation of a Christian view of politics.\n\n-Steve\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________"
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    {
      "message_id": "<9c6b022b0811061001q237ef3brbe0a010fd642dcc0@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Ranjit Bhatnagar",
        "address": "ranjit at moonmilk.com"
      },
      "date": "2008-11-06T18:01:20+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) silk for calde bumpersticker",
      "in_reply_to": "<3e1fa2e90811060958m21b29c7dmc33f0e946a4075b3@mail.gmail.com>",
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          "text": "I don't have a car, but I might put one outside my 3rd floor window to\nkeep vampires away.\n\n- ranjit"
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    {
      "message_id": "<e11bddb60811061148n1955214cwd76f0712cc94d8a@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Thomas Bitterman",
        "address": "tom at bitterman.net"
      },
      "date": "2008-11-06T19:48:28+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) silk for calde bumpersticker",
      "in_reply_to": "<s912da4d.065@azrael.olivet.edu>",
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          "text": "On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Case <scase at olivet.edu> wrote:\nI think Gene might say something about Christians remembering that\ndemocracy isn't actually the most \"Christian\" form of government.  Like\nMalrubius gets Severian to realize, it's monarchy."
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          "text": "Wolfe has been clear in the past that government by one's betters is\nthe best form.  See his comments on how Tolkien's elves are ruled.\n\nEnamel"
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