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"name": "Ranjit Bhatnagar",
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"text": "I'm starting a new thread for the music stuff so it doesn't get mixed\nin with the political stuff. I'll set up a space on urth.net for\nsharing mp3s and such, if the project takes off.\n\nAlso I'll use this as an excuse to repost my treatise explaining how\nk.d. lang's album Ingenue is really a retelling of The Book of the New\nSun: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0007/0597.shtml\n\n-ranjit"
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"text": "Phaserprone Records has released at least 1 tape\nof Wolfe-tribute music. And in general I find their output to be very\nevocative of the same kind of landscape conjured in BOTNS.\n\nUnfortunately, their releases are so ornate and limited that the first part\nof a 4-part BOTNS-inspired series of music is already sold out.. I've heard\nthe next installment will be available soon, though.\n\n-rk"
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"text": "On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Ranjit Bhatnagar wrote:\nI'm starting a new thread for the music stuff so it doesn't get mixed\nin with the political stuff. I'll set up a space on urth.net for\nsharing mp3s and such, if the project takes off.\n\nAlso I'll use this as an excuse to repost my treatise explaining how\nk.d. lang's album Ingenue is really a retelling of The Book of the New\nSun: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0007/0597.shtml\n\n-ranjit\n_______________________________________________"
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"date": "2008-11-06T22:24:29+00:00",
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"text": "On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Rjyan Kadwallader wrote:\nPhaserprone Records has released at least 1 tape of Wolfe-tribute music.\nAnd in general I find their output to be very evocative of the same kind of\nlandscape conjured in BOTNS.\n\nUnfortunately, their releases are so ornate and limited that the first part\nof a 4-part BOTNS-inspired series of music is already sold out.. I've heard\nthe next installment will be available soon, though."
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"text": "actually, i own a copy of it. i dont have tape-to-tape facilites but i\nmight be able to whip up some hissy mp3s over the next couple of\nweeks....\n\nrob t"
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"name": "Son of Witz",
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"date": "2008-11-06T22:26:13+00:00",
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"text": "I'm starting a new thread for the music stuff so it doesn't get mixed\nin with the political stuff. I'll set up a space on urth.net for\nsharing mp3s and such, if the project takes off.\n\nAlso I'll use this as an excuse to repost my treatise explaining how\nk.d. lang's album Ingenue is really a retelling of The Book of the New\nSun: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0007/0597.shtml\n\n-ranjit"
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"text": "funny KD lang post, Ranjit,\nnow put on Dark Side of the Moon with Wizard of Oz. :D\n\nsince you mentioned mp3s, are image attachments viable (or verboten) on these mailing lists? I ask because there was some interest in my illustration. i should probably post a link, but I thought I'd ask."
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"date": "2008-11-06T22:30:11+00:00",
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"text": "On Nov 6, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Rob Thornton wrote:\nOn Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Rjyan Kadwallader \n wrote:"
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"text": "Phaserprone Records has released at least 1 tape of Wolfe-tribute \nmusic.\nAnd in general I find their output to be very evocative of the same \nkind of\nlandscape conjured in BOTNS.\n\nUnfortunately, their releases are so ornate and limited that the \nfirst part\nof a 4-part BOTNS-inspired series of music is already sold out.. \nI've heard\nthe next installment will be available soon, though."
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"text": "actually, i own a copy of it. i dont have tape-to-tape facilites but i\nmight be able to whip up some hissy mp3s over the next couple of\nweeks...."
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"text": "If you can whip up hissy mp3s, I can use Audacity to make them less- \nhissy at the expense of some loss of brightness.\n\nOn the other hand, since there are actual musicians on the list, I \nthink it's probably a pretty good bet that there's someone around here \nto do it much better than I would be able to.\n\nAdam"
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"date": "2008-11-06T22:33:11+00:00",
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"text": "actually, i own a copy of it. i dont have tape-to-tape facilites but i\nmight be able to whip up some hissy mp3s over the next couple of\nweeks....\n\nrob t"
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"text": "speaking of hissy mp3s...\nOnline I found the hissy mp3s of the SUN audio books (someone transferred them from tapes) and I joined them up into M3U files that have the Audiobook 'Resume' function. I've thought about sending them back out to the internet, but I don't want to be accused of piracy. I looked all over for legitimate copies to buy, but only found resellers who had it on CD, so obviously the original parties wouldn't have gotten any proceeds anyway. So these are out of print, in an obsolete medium, and they sound pretty crappy. Nonetheless, I've enjoyed listening to them right behind my reading, so I'm getting a 3rd pass simultaneous to my second read. I find that since I know the scenes better, having just read them, I often get bigger insights when listening, because the mind is less actively engaged in the reading effort.\n\nanyway, so what do you think? should I post em to rapidshare and share the links. I don't want Wolfe of Avers to be pissed at me.\n\nRoy Avers' reading is pretty great, FWIW.\n\n~witz"
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"name": "Ranjit Bhatnagar",
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"date": "2008-11-06T22:33:21+00:00",
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"text": "I would discourage image attachments on the urth list. They probably\nwon't show up in the digest or in the archives, and might annoy people\non slow connections or Blackberries. Best to post a link, or email me\nprivately and I'll post your image on urth.net. The same goes for\nmp3s or other large files you'd like to share.\n\nIt might also be possible to host these things on the wolfe wiki, but\nI'll let the wiki's administrators comment on that!\n\n- ranjit"
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"text": "Son of Witz wrote:\nfunny KD lang post, Ranjit,\nnow put on Dark Side of the Moon with Wizard of Oz. :D\n\nsince you mentioned mp3s, are image attachments viable (or verboten) on these mailing lists? I ask because there was some interest in my illustration. i should probably post a link, but I thought I'd ask."
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"date": "2008-11-06T22:34:38+00:00",
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"text": "cool, I figured there would be technical problems.\nI'll just post links.\nthanks.\n~witz"
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"date": "2008-11-07T09:23:29+00:00",
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"text": "At 22:33 06/11/2008, Ranjit wrote:\nIt might also be possible to host these things on the wolfe wiki, \nbut I'll let the wiki's administrators comment on that!"
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"text": "Wiki policy is determined by the collective of its contributors, but \nhosting artwork or music would be a bit of a departure -- at the \nmoment its content is just textual commentary. Although there is an \narea (currently rather sparse) for links to other-media Wolfe \nmaterial held on other sites.\n\nbest wishes,\n\nMo\n\n\n# ~ # ~ #\n\nWolfeWiki now at:\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/ "
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"date": "2008-11-07T15:08:33+00:00",
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"text": "Have we ever assembled a playlist of Wolfean music? I'm tempted to play\naround on Pandora, or maybe lastFM."
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"text": "Wiki policy is determined by the collective of its contributors, but\nhosting artwork or music would be a bit of a departure -- at the moment its\ncontent is just textual commentary. Although there is an area (currently\nrather sparse) for links to other-media Wolfe material held on other sites.\n\nbest wishes,\n\nMo\n\n\n# ~ # ~ #\n\nWolfeWiki now at:\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/\n_______________________________________________"
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"text": "I actually make very strange, lo-fi acoustic/electric stuff sometimes, often\nwith a heavy Gene Wolfe bent. I could upload some tracks.\n\nI'm also considering starting up a Black Metal band called \"Autarch\"..."
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"text": "On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Bryan Alexander\nwrote:\nHave we ever assembled a playlist of Wolfean music? I'm tempted to play\naround on Pandora, or maybe lastFM.\n\n\nOn Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Mo Holkar / UKG wrote:"
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"text": "Wiki policy is determined by the collective of its contributors, but\nhosting artwork or music would be a bit of a departure -- at the moment its\ncontent is just textual commentary. Although there is an area (currently\nrather sparse) for links to other-media Wolfe material held on other sites.\n\nbest wishes,\n\nMo\n\n\n# ~ # ~ #\n\nWolfeWiki now at:\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/\n _______________________________________________"
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"date": "2008-11-08T05:46:07+00:00",
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"text": "I hereby volunteer to compile and master the tracks, and host them on my \nsite if that's what we want to do.\n\nProbably the highest-profile Wolfe-related piece of music already extant \nis \"Row, Brothers, Row\" by the Turtle Island String Quartet, from their \nalbum BY THE FIRESIDE (yes, a Christmas album; no, I don't know what it \nhas to do with Christmas). Except for a short generic \"jazzy\" section in \nthe middle it hits the folky-but-exotic tone of an Urth work song quite \nwell."
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"date": "2008-11-08T06:44:08+00:00",
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"text": "Since we're all sharing music relating to Gene Wolfe, I take it\neverybody's seen this video now? Searched urth.net but only saw a\nlittle discussion on the song itself when it was released several\nyears ago.\n\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqY0dCmAyNM\n\nDaniel"
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"text": "On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Tim Walters wrote:\nI hereby volunteer to compile and master the tracks, and host them on my\nsite if that's what we want to do.\n\nProbably the highest-profile Wolfe-related piece of music already extant is\n\"Row, Brothers, Row\" by the Turtle Island String Quartet, from their album\nBY THE FIRESIDE (yes, a Christmas album; no, I don't know what it has to do\nwith Christmas). Except for a short generic \"jazzy\" section in the middle it\nhits the folky-but-exotic tone of an Urth work song quite well.\n\n--\n\nTim Walters | The Doubtful Palace | http://doubtfulpalace.com\n_______________________________________________"
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"text": "You know..I've resisted writing GW inspired music..quite a challenge from what I get from him and how to translate musically..\nWrite a song from a concept with changes, a melody. a sound and a vibe...but never actually state the changes or melody...but put musical clues as to what the melody MIGHT? be....hmmm..\n\nHaving said that I'm working on a Bass tour de force (hopefully) tentatively titled \"Terminus Est\"...presumptuous I know..that I'm trying to convince Steve Vai to play acoustic with me on as a duet....\n\nit is what it is...sometimes I think too much....\n\nListening to Ry Cooder in El Paso...working nicely for me.\n\nS\n\n???? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Fri, 11/7/08, Greg Bates wrote:\nFrom: Greg Bates \nSubject: Re: (urth) making Wolfe-inspired music\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Friday, November 7, 2008, 6:52 PM\n\nI actually make very strange, lo-fi acoustic/electric stuff sometimes, often with a heavy Gene Wolfe bent. I could upload some tracks.\n\nI'm also considering starting up a Black Metal band called \"Autarch\"...\n\n\nOn Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Bryan Alexander wrote:\n\nHave we ever assembled a playlist of Wolfean music? ?I'm tempted to play around on Pandora, or maybe lastFM. \n\n\n\n\n\nOn Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Mo Holkar / UKG wrote:\n\n\nAt 22:33 06/11/2008, Ranjit wrote:\n\nIt might also be possible to host these things on the wolfe wiki, but I'll let the wiki's administrators comment on that!\n\n\n\nWiki policy is determined by the collective of its contributors, but hosting artwork or music would be a bit of a departure -- at the moment its content is just textual commentary. Although there is an area (currently rather sparse) for links to other-media Wolfe material held on other sites.\n\n\nbest wishes,\n\nMo\n\n\n# ~ # ~ #\n\nWolfeWiki now at:\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/ "
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"date": "2008-11-08T07:11:28+00:00",
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"text": "ha.\nespecially if it's conceptually what some call, (gulp) \"unblack \nmetal\" , like the band \"The Light Shall Prevail\"\nthat could go well with the self ruler concept.\n\nI want to hear a song called Amphisbaena that wrestles that concept. I \nkeep coming back to that being one of the key symbols in the book.\njust spent the latter part of the evening cross hatching the scales of \none. TGIF, you know.\n\n\\m/"
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"date": "2008-11-08T07:14:48+00:00",
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"text": "oh my god...\n\nthat's EXACTLY what I had in mind....damnit\n\nnot really\n\nOK I changed my mind my and won't call my piece TE...hehehe\n\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Fri, 11/7/08, Daniel Slatkin wrote:\nFrom: Daniel Slatkin \nSubject: Re: (urth) making Wolfe-inspired music\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Friday, November 7, 2008, 10:44 PM\n\nSince we're all sharing music relating to Gene Wolfe, I take it\neverybody's seen this video now? Searched urth.net but only saw a\nlittle discussion on the song itself when it was released several\nyears ago.\n\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqY0dCmAyNM\n\nDaniel"
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"text": "On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Tim Walters \nwrote:\nI hereby volunteer to compile and master the tracks, and host them on my\nsite if that's what we want to do.\n\nProbably the highest-profile Wolfe-related piece of music already extant\nis\n\"Row, Brothers, Row\" by the Turtle Island String Quartet, from\ntheir album\nBY THE FIRESIDE (yes, a Christmas album; no, I don't know what it has\nto do\nwith Christmas). Except for a short generic \"jazzy\" section in\nthe middle it\nhits the folky-but-exotic tone of an Urth work song quite well.\n\n--\n\nTim Walters | The Doubtful Palace | http://doubtfulpalace.com\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net"
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"text": ", Stuart Hamm wrote:\nYou know..I've resisted writing GW inspired music..quite a challenge \nfrom what I get from him and how to translate musically..\nWrite a song from a concept with changes, a melody. a sound and a \nvibe...but never actually state the changes or melody...but put \nmusical clues as to what the melody MIGHT be....hmmm..\n\nHaving said that I'm working on a Bass tour de force (hopefully) \ntentatively titled \"Terminus Est\"...presumptuous I know..that I'm \ntrying to convince Steve Vai to play acoustic with me on as a duet....\n\nit is what it is...sometimes I think too much....\n\nListening to Ry Cooder in El Paso...working nicely for me."
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"text": "all four of those sound great. counting \"too much\" as an entity.\n\nI can imagine a combination of windy mountain slow mo doom with Ascian \nexplosion war percussion every 500th heartbeat, [Earth / Melvins / \nSUNNO)))], with strange bits of lo fi acoustic folk (somehow progged, \nperhaps by getting into medieval pythagorean tuning (SC3) ) that \nwanders in and out like it was a Sublime Frequencies release. \nmysterious, cinematic. bring in some sort of orchestral stuff for \nsome action and drama, then use choral vocal work for the claw. big \nbottom brass for the citadel, and of course killer prog Baldanders \nbattle. the get Astro-Nautical outer-space pirate psyche that gets \nyou lost in the mirrored sails .\n\nbut then that sounds like a secret chiefs 3 album.\nI've suggested he read it, of course.\n(have you heard the recent Xaphan: SC3 plays John Zorn Masada book two \n(vol 9) ? yowza that's a great ride. (I didn't do any art so \nI'm not shilling for sales FWIW)\n\n~witz"
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"from": {
"name": "Tim Walters",
"address": "walters at doubtfulpalace.com"
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"date": "2008-11-08T08:06:58+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "I haven't \"done\" Wolfe, but I have been inspired by some other SF writers:\n\n\"The Up-and-Out\" (Cordwainer Smith)\nhttp://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser/Ticker/07_the_up-and-out.mp3\n(The agony and ecstasy of space travel. With krumhorn. From the album I \nsent off for duplication today, woo-hoo!)\n\n\"Brother North-Wind's Secret\" (John Crowley)\nhttp://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Mercaptan/brother_north_wind.mp3\n(Theme music for an imaginary show based on the children's book from \nLITTLE, BIG.)\n\n\"Fondly Fahrenheit\" (Alfred Bester)\nhttp://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser/FW/05_Shalmaneser_FW_Fondly.mp3\n(A robot goes crazy and kills people. A ragtime robot.)"
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"from": {
"name": "Son of Witz",
"address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org"
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"date": "2008-11-09T02:50:42+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Tim Walters wrote:\nI haven't \"done\" Wolfe, but I have been inspired by some other SF \nwriters:\n\n\"The Up-and-Out\" (Cordwainer Smith)\nhttp://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser/Ticker/07_the_up-and-out.mp3\n(The agony and ecstasy of space travel. With krumhorn. From the \nalbum I sent off for duplication today, woo-hoo!)"
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"text": "I dug this. haven't checked out the others yet.\n\nhere's a SC3 sub-band Electromagnetic Azoth doing a song about Philip \nDick's UBIK. It really gets at the regressive/progressive theme. \nBill Horist on guitar with Spruance editing and adding electronics.\n\nhttp://tinyurl.com/563t5j\n\n(didn't seem to load right in Safari, but worked in firefox.)"
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"message_id": "<8CC28681-5F1D-4BC0-911E-1A6EEFCA363B@io.com>",
"from": {
"name": "Adam Thornton",
"address": "adam at io.com"
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"date": "2008-11-09T16:21:17+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "On Nov 8, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\n\n\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqY0dCmAyNM\n\nOh, you gotta love it."
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"text": "Well, I do like the trinitarian aspect with Malrubius's ghost as \nFather and Thecla's as Holy Spirit. I hadn't looked at the \nrelationship *that* way before.\n\nAdam"
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"from": {
"name": "Matthew Groves",
"address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com"
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"date": "2008-11-09T16:41:10+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\nI want to hear a song called Amphisbaena that wrestles that concept. I keep\ncoming back to that being one of the key symbols in the book."
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"text": "I suppose it would have to be a crab canon. :)"
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"from": {
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"date": "2008-11-09T16:52:01+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "On Nov 9, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Matthew Groves wrote:\n\n\nOn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Son of Witz ",
"from": {
"name": "Adam Thornton",
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"date": "2008-11-09T16:57:10+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "On Nov 9, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\n\nI suppose it would have to be a crab canon. :)"
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"text": "that one sailed over my head. ?"
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"text": "That happens easily when you're a pair of ragged claws scuttling \nacross the floors of silent seas.\n\nAdam"
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"date": "2008-11-09T17:05:48+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "I suppose it would have to be a crab canon. :)"
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"text": "oh, has that Amphisbaena been mapped to the Cancer constellation?"
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"from": {
"name": "Adam Thornton",
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"date": "2008-11-09T17:06:35+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "On Nov 9, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Adam Thornton wrote:\n\nOn Nov 9, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Son of Witz wrote:"
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"text": "I suppose it would have to be a crab canon. :)"
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"text": "that one sailed over my head. ?"
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"text": "That happens easily when you're a pair of ragged claws scuttling \nacross the floors of silent seas."
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"text": "Oh now.\n\nNow I've done it.\n\nI have this *image* in my head I can't get rid of. So I'm going to \ninflict it on all the rest of you, because misery shared is misery \nlessened.\n\nIt's T.S. Eliot, in a suit, holding a peach, looking down at it, \nworried and concerned.\n\nThen the camera pans a bit to the right, and _Pulp Fiction_-era Samuel \nL. Jackson is standing next to him, with an enormous pistol held to \nhis head, shouting, \"Well, DO you dare to eat that peach? DO YOU, \nMOTHERFUCKER?\"\n\nI guess that would be \"Quentin Tarantino Presents: Prufrock.\"\n\n(this now has me imagining Quentin Tarantino Directs William Carlos \nWilliams' \"This Is Just To Say\")\n\nAdam"
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"from": {
"name": "Adam Thornton",
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"date": "2008-11-09T17:12:21+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "On Nov 9, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\n\nI suppose it would have to be a crab canon. :)"
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"text": "that one sailed over my head. ?"
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"text": "That happens easily when you're a pair of ragged claws scuttling \nacross the floors of silent seas."
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"text": "oh, has that Amphisbaena been mapped to the Cancer constellation?"
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"text": "I don't think that association is considered canonical.\n\nAdam"
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"message_id": "<49171C3C.9010108@doubtfulpalace.com>",
"from": {
"name": "Tim Walters",
"address": "walters at doubtfulpalace.com"
},
"date": "2008-11-09T17:22:04+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "Adam Thornton wrote:\n(this now has me imagining Quentin Tarantino Directs William Carlos \nWilliams' \"This Is Just To Say\")"
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"text": "Not too far off:\n\nhttp://www.freshmanforlife.com/search/label/Blotchmen\n\nAnd on the science-fiction/music tip, this is the funniest thing I've \nseen in a while:\n\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWsFWdqLmNM\n\nIt helps if you know Magma's music, but I don't think it's necessary."
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"message_id": "<886618.52636.qm@web37603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>",
"from": {
"name": "Craig Brewer",
"address": "cnbrewer at yahoo.com"
},
"date": "2008-11-09T23:08:31+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) Wolfe archives",
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"text": "At the risk of being gruesome, does anyone know if Wolfe has made any arrangements for his papers, drafts, and what not to be housed anywhere after he passes?\n\n\n\n "
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"message_id": "<22A60E74-B0F3-409A-A137-31E5610FF2E7@att.net>",
"from": {
"name": "John Smith",
"address": "jsmith2627 at att.net"
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"date": "2008-11-10T17:18:14+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Son of Witz wrote:\n\nI suppose it would have to be a crab canon. :)"
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"text": "oh, has that Amphisbaena been mapped to the Cancer constellation?\n\n_______________________________________________"
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"from": {
"name": "Matthew Groves",
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"date": "2008-11-10T17:30:21+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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"text": "On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\nOn Nov 9, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Matthew Groves wrote:\n\nOn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Son of Witz wrote:"
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"text": "A crab canon is a palindromic contrapuntal composition in which a dux\n(leading voice) is placed against a comes (following voice) which is the\nretrograde of the dux. In other words, a melody is used in counterpoint\nwith itself played backwards. You could similarly illustrate Ouroboros with\na perpetual canon. And maybe Caduceus with a mirror canon."
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"from": {
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"date": "2008-11-10T20:17:31+00:00",
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"text": "A crab canon is a palindromic contrapuntal composition in which a dux\n(leading voice) is placed against a comes (following voice) which is the\nretrograde of the dux. In other words, a melody is used in counterpoint\nwith itself played backwards. You could similarly illustrate Ouroboros with\na perpetual canon. And maybe Caduceus with a mirror canon."
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"from": {
"name": "Gwern Branwen",
"address": "gwern0 at gmail.com"
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"date": "2008-11-14T22:27:53+00:00",
"subject": "(urth) making Wolfe-inspired music",
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