# AstroEngineering *The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 26 Nov 2008* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Son of Witz *26 Nov 2008, 00:06* Can anyone help me out with this "black hole" thing? I see how it's inferred from the text at one point, when Aquastor Malrubius says: (Citadel, XXXI, Sand Garden) "You know of the chasms of space, which some call the Black Pits, from which no speck of matter or gleam of light ever returns. But what you have not known until now is that these chasms have their counterparts in White Fountains, from which matter and energy rejected by a higher universe flow in endless cataract into this one." and there is the Worm eating the Sun: Claw IV, Boquet "You, the hero who will destroy the black worm that devours the sun;" (more on that quote later) but where does the idea that the Black Hole is the product of AstroEngineering. I don't have the Lexicon on hand, but I don't remember it giving a textual reference. what do folks make of that? Do the Hierodules say they put it there in Urth? --- ### Jeff Wilson *30 Nov 2008, 20:36 · in reply to Son of Witz* > Son of Witz wrote: > Can anyone help me out with this "black hole" thing? > I see how it's inferred from the text at one point, when Aquastor Malrubius says: (Citadel, XXXI, Sand Garden) > "You know of the chasms of space, which some call the Black Pits, > from which no speck of matter or gleam of light ever returns. But > what you have not known until now is that these chasms have their > counterparts in White Fountains, from which matter and energy > rejected by a higher universe flow in endless cataract into this one." > > and there is the Worm eating the Sun: Claw IV, Boquet > "You, the hero who will destroy the black worm that devours the sun;" > (more on that quote later) > > but where does the idea that the Black Hole is the product of > AstroEngineering. I don't have the Lexicon on hand, but I don't remember > it giving a textual reference. > > what do folks make of that? > Do the Hierodules say they put it there in Urth? ISTR that it has been traced to the black beans thrown by a woman, and that the woman has been identified as Typhon's daughter Scylla, but I couldn't provide you with the provenance or a reference. ``` Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson > ``` ---