secular interpretations

The Urth list — 4 messages, 3 voices, 26 Nov 2008
https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5240

Marc Aramini26 Nov 2008, 02:29
I agree with Chris in his impressions of Wright - I feel like the ambiguity around the miraculous in Wolfe is necessary and important. The enlightenment of the outsider DOES wind up being a preprogrammed message from Typhon and his mistress Mamelta (like Marlon Brando in Superman), though Crane's interpretaion sounds lame at first. Yet it can still be divine enlightenment even if it has a rational cause. Shadows of the New Sun is a fabulous Wright creation because it is actually Wolfe speaking and writing rather than an author with a thesis he must force the text to support, (as we all tend to in graduate lit courses when push comes to shove.)
Jordon Flato26 Nov 2008, 04:53

↳ in reply to Marc Aramini

SonOfWitz: Do not read this post, it contains spoilers <<The enlightenment of the outsider DOES wind up being a preprogrammed message from Typhon and his mistress Mamelta (like Marlon Brando in Superman), though Crane's interpretaion sounds lame at first.>> Is this a commonly accepted interpretation? I've only read through Long Sun twice, but I can't at all see how this is the case! It would certainly change a lot of how I think about that book. The Outsider seems to me to be the genuine article. Can you point me to some evidence of this? Past that, I think the idea put forth that even the bad guys end up working for the increate is a sound one.
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On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote: I agree with Chris in his impressions of Wright - I feel like the ambiguity around the miraculous in Wolfe is necessary and important. Yet it can still be divine enlightenment even if it has a rational cause. Shadows of the New Sun is a fabulous Wright creation because it is actually Wolfe speaking and writing rather than an author with a thesis he must force the text to support, (as we all tend to in graduate lit courses when push comes to shove.) _______________________________________________
Roy C. Lackey26 Nov 2008, 05:08

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Jordon Flato wrote: SonOfWitz: Do not read this post, it contains spoilers <<The enlightenment of the outsider DOES wind up being a preprogrammed message from Typhon and his mistress Mamelta (like Marlon Brando in Superman), though Crane's interpretaion sounds lame at first.>> Is this a commonly accepted interpretation?
Absolutely not! -Roy
Jordon Flato26 Nov 2008, 05:28

↳ in reply to Roy C. Lackey

Whew! I mean, I don't think I would have accepted this even if it were 'common' wisdom, as it seems so far off the mark to me in so many ways. But, I'm glad to know I'm not alone in that one!
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On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Roy C. Lackey <rclackey at stic.net> wrote: Jordon Flato wrote:
SonOfWitz: Do not read this post, it contains spoilers <<The enlightenment of the outsider DOES wind up being a preprogrammed message from Typhon and his mistress Mamelta (like Marlon Brando in Superman), though Crane's interpretaion sounds lame at first.>> Is this a commonly accepted interpretation?
Absolutely not! -Roy _______________________________________________

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