{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5246", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5246, "subject": "Urth Digest, Vol 51, Issue 76", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "2008-11-28T22:42:00+00:00", "last": "2008-11-29T04:37:12+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<493073B8.10809@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2008-11-28T22:42:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 51, Issue 76", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm just now watching the \"other\" Dune movies---the miniseries---and they are much closer to the text. Really very well done. \n\nThe Lynch movie did often seem to miss the point, but I thought it did capture the mysticism of the Kwisatz Haderach/Abomination's visions in a visually poetic manner. I think that's what interested Lynch, who otherwise was drawn to grotesquery and decay, not superhuman evolution.\n\nWeren't the sound weapons in the text?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:06:40 +0000\nFrom: \"Son of Witz\" \nSubject: Re: (urth) giants and magic gems and dudes wearing all black\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nMessage-ID: \nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"us-ascii\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "what a glorious mess that would have been." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " \n\n The Lynch work was a mess, though not that glorious. I liked the\nachieved atmosphere of baroque decadence, but felt that the core of\nthe original work was lost completely, not just that they simplified\ninto childish literalism the messiahnic role of the lead, but that the\nmissed that the core of the thematic threads was the mental and\nphysical improvement of man, by changing the Atreides avantage to a\nscifi-ish kind of weaponry instead of a superior system of mental and\nphysicial conditioning." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " \n\nthat's exactly how I feel about it.\nespecially changing the mental/physical conditioning to a sound weapon.\nlamo." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "y'all read The Incal? killer stuff." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " \n\n Sadly, not in complete form." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " \n\nwhile it's not up to snuff with Wolfe, it's a damn good read. some of the alchemical imagery is made manifest in frightfully obvious (and cool) ways.\n\n~witz" } ] }, { "message_id": "<96F96B83-A3F8-4FF1-930B-9520E493D699@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Kerry Benton", "address": "k.benton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-11-29T04:37:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 51, Issue 76", "in_reply_to": "<493073B8.10809@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "They're a whole lot better, I concur...\n\nLynch did do a good job with the mysticism and the visuals I think. I \nlove the Guild navigators, love the handling of the Harkonnens for the \nmost part, and the worms.\n\nThere were no sound weapons in the text, unless you mean Voice, which \nis also mishandled (IMHO) in both Lynch and the scifi series.\n\n\nI worry most in adaptations of BOTNS about the handling of anything \nthat appears magical or supernatural... That any film producer/ \ndirector/writer would try to explain too much.\n\nMy two cents...\n-k\n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:42 PM, David Stockhoff \nwrote:\nI'm just now watching the \"other\" Dune movies---the miniseries---and \nthey are much closer to the text. Really very well done.\n\nThe Lynch movie did often seem to miss the point, but I thought it \ndid capture the mysticism of the Kwisatz Haderach/Abomination's \nvisions in a visually poetic manner. I think that's what interested \nLynch, who otherwise was drawn to grotesquery and decay, not \nsuperhuman evolution.\n\nWeren't the sound weapons in the text?\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:06:40 +0000\nFrom: \"Son of Witz\" \nSubject: Re: (urth) giants and magic gems and dudes wearing all black\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nMessage-ID: \nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"us-ascii\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "what a glorious mess that would have been." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": " The Lynch work was a mess, though not that glorious. I liked the\nachieved atmosphere of baroque decadence, but felt that the core of\nthe original work was lost completely, not just that they simplified\ninto childish literalism the messiahnic role of the lead, but that \nthe\nmissed that the core of the thematic threads was the mental and\nphysical improvement of man, by changing the Atreides avantage to a\nscifi-ish kind of weaponry instead of a superior system of mental \nand\nphysicial conditioning." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "that's exactly how I feel about it.\nespecially changing the mental/physical conditioning to a sound \nweapon.\nlamo." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "y'all read The Incal? killer stuff." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": " Sadly, not in complete form." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "while it's not up to snuff with Wolfe, it's a damn good read. some \nof the alchemical imagery is made manifest in frightfully obvious \n(and cool) ways.\n\n~witz\n\n\n\navast! 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