{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5250", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5250, "subject": "Nessus, House Absolute, etc.", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2008-12-01T20:09:38+00:00", "last": "2008-12-01T21:14:02+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<49344482.4080901@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2008-12-01T20:09:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nessus, House Absolute, etc.", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "To all:\n\nI have to step back from my statement that Buenos Aires is not on the \nRio de la Plate. It IS in fact on the estuary of that river---an estuary \nthat is so wide at that point that it may as well be a sea. So yes, \nNessus was originally probably a native settlement by the sea/where \nGyoll meets the sea, and Buenos Aires has already moved north from where \nit was \"founded\" by Spaniards. However, the Wiki doesn't mention any \nprevious settlement at all:\n\nSeaman Juan D?az de Sol’s \n, navigating \nin the name of Spain , was the first \nEuropean to reach the R?o de la Plata \n in 1516. His \nexpedition was cut short when he was killed, supposedly during an attack \nby the native Charr?a tribe \nin what is now Uruguay .\n\nThe city of Buenos Aires was first established as /Ciudad de Nuestra \nSe?ora Santa Mar a del Buen Ayre/^[7] \n \n(literally \"City of Our Lady Saint Mary of the Fair Winds\") on February \n2, 1536 by a Spanish expedition led by Pedro de Mendoza \n. The city founded by \nMendoza was located in what is today the San Telmo \n district of Buenos Aires, south \nof the city centre.\n\nMore attacks by the indigenous peoples forced the settlers away, and in \n1541 the site was abandoned. A second (and permanent) settlement was \nestablished in 1580 by Juan de Garay \n, who arrived by sailing \ndown the Paran? River \nfrom Asunci?n (now the \ncapital of Paraguay ). Although \nupon the refounding, the city itself was named Holy Trinity \n (Spanish \n: /Santisima Trinidad/) \nand only the port was still called Buenos Aires, over the next two \ncenturies the port's name won out.\n\n\nSo, whatever. Does anyone know of any origins/meanings for the name \n\"Nessus\"?\n\nSon of Witz---Where did you get the textfiles of TBotNS?\n\nAlso, my guess as to the futurity of Urth is no more than 100,000 years. \nMy 2 cents.\n\nDave" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2008-12-01T20:20:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nessus, House Absolute, etc.", "in_reply_to": "<49344482.4080901@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Son of Witz---Where did you get the textfiles of TBotNS?\n\nAlso, my guess as to the futurity of Urth is no more than 100,000 years. \nMy 2 cents.\n\nDave" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm with you on max 100,000.\n\nI got the text files from a torrent. google \"Wolfe sun series torrent\" (sans quotes) and you should find a torrent. an audiobooks from Fenopy torrent will turn up too, which are what I founds (many mp3s)" } ] }, { "message_id": "<272706220812011234r23c7cc0dl2d48fd31d8ee1ea2@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-12-01T20:34:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nessus, House Absolute, etc.", "in_reply_to": "<49344482.4080901@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nessus, if I remember correctly, is the centaur that trains Achilles.\n\nLane" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:09 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:\nTo all:\n\nI have to step back from my statement that Buenos Aires is not on the Rio\nde la Plate. It IS in fact on the estuary of that river---an estuary that is\nso wide at that point that it may as well be a sea. So yes, Nessus was\noriginally probably a native settlement by the sea/where Gyoll meets the\nsea, and Buenos Aires has already moved north from where it was \"founded\" by\nSpaniards. However, the Wiki doesn't mention any previous settlement at all:\n\nSeaman Juan D?az de Sol?s,\nnavigating in the name of Spain , was\nthe first European to reach the R?o de la Platain 1516. His expedition was cut short when he was killed, supposedly during\nan attack by the native Charr?atribe in what is now\nUruguay .\n\nThe city of Buenos Aires was first established as *Ciudad de Nuestra\nSe?ora Santa Mar a del Buen Ayre*[7](literally \"City of Our Lady Saint Mary of the Fair Winds\") on February 2,\n1536 by a Spanish expedition led by Pedro de Mendoza.\nThe city founded by Mendoza was located in what is today the San Telmodistrict of Buenos Aires, south of the city centre.\n\nMore attacks by the indigenous peoples forced the settlers away, and in\n1541 the site was abandoned. A second (and permanent) settlement was\nestablished in 1580 by Juan de Garay,\nwho arrived by sailing down the Paran? Riverfrom\nAsunci?n (now the capital of\nParaguay ). Although upon the\nrefounding, the city itself was named Holy Trinity(\nSpanish : *Santisima\nTrinidad*) and only the port was still called Buenos Aires, over the next\ntwo centuries the port's name won out.\n\n\nSo, whatever. Does anyone know of any origins/meanings for the name\n\"Nessus\"?\nSon of Witz---Where did you get the textfiles of TBotNS?\n\nAlso, my guess as to the futurity of Urth is no more than 100,000 years. My\n2 cents.\n\nDave\n\n\n ------------------------------\n\navast! Antivirus : Outbound message clean.\n\nVirus Database (VPS): 081130-0, 11/30/2008\nTested on: 12/1/2008 3:09:39 PM\navast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1635.67.142.130.36.1228166042.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2008-12-01T21:14:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nessus, House Absolute, etc.", "in_reply_to": "<272706220812011234r23c7cc0dl2d48fd31d8ee1ea2@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That is Cheiron. Nessus is the one who instructs Heracles wife to skin him\nand make a shirt from the skin, which poisons/burns Heracles' skin when he\nputs it on, precipitating Heracles suicide/apotheosis.\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Nessus, if I remember correctly, is the centaur that trains Achilles.\n\nLane\n\nOn Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:09 PM, David Stockhoff\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "To all:\n\nI have to step back from my statement that Buenos Aires is not on the\nRio\nde la Plate. It IS in fact on the estuary of that river---an estuary\nthat is\nso wide at that point that it may as well be a sea. So yes, Nessus was\noriginally probably a native settlement by the sea/where Gyoll meets the\nsea, and Buenos Aires has already moved north from where it was\n\"founded\" by\nSpaniards. However, the Wiki doesn't mention any previous settlement at\nall:\n\nSeaman Juan D?az de\nSol?s,\nnavigating in the name of Spain ,\nwas\nthe first European to reach the R?o de la\nPlatain 1516. His\nexpedition was cut short when he was killed, supposedly during\nan attack by the native\nCharr?atribe in what is now\nUruguay .\n\nThe city of Buenos Aires was first established as *Ciudad de Nuestra\nSe?ora Santa Mar a del Buen\nAyre*[7](literally\n\"City of Our Lady Saint Mary of the Fair Winds\") on February 2,\n1536 by a Spanish expedition led by Pedro de\nMendoza.\nThe city founded by Mendoza was located in what is today the San\nTelmodistrict of Buenos Aires,\nsouth of the city centre.\n\nMore attacks by the indigenous peoples forced the settlers away, and in\n1541 the site was abandoned. A second (and permanent) settlement was\nestablished in 1580 by Juan de\nGaray,\nwho arrived by sailing down the Paran?\nRiverfrom\nAsunci?n (now the capital\nof\nParaguay ). Although upon the\nrefounding, the city itself was named Holy\nTrinity(\nSpanish : *Santisima\nTrinidad*) and only the port was still called Buenos Aires, over the\nnext\ntwo centuries the port's name won out.\n\n\nSo, whatever. Does anyone know of any origins/meanings for the name\n\"Nessus\"?\nSon of Witz---Where did you get the textfiles of TBotNS?\n\nAlso, my guess as to the futurity of Urth is no more than 100,000 years.\nMy\n2 cents.\n\nDave\n\n\n ------------------------------\n\navast! Antivirus : Outbound message clean.\n\nVirus Database (VPS): 081130-0, 11/30/2008\nTested on: 12/1/2008 3:09:39 PM\navast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }