{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5251", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5251, "subject": "Got a spare grand-and-half?", "messages": 7, "voices": 4, "first": "2008-12-02T00:04:06+00:00", "last": "2008-12-03T01:18:38+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-12-02T00:04:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Got a spare grand-and-half?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512\n\nI don't know if this was mentioned last year, but I just across this:\n\nhttp://millipedepress.com/centipede-press/the-shadow-of-the-torturer-gene-wolfe\n\n\"The Shadow of the Torturer\"\n\"$1500.00\n\nLeather - Printed on mouldmade Saunders Waterford. Bound in full\ngoatskin leather with the color illustrations and a map enclosed in a\ncloth traycase with an extra set of unbound prints. Limited to 14\ncopies for sale.\n...\nIt features 7 full page, full color illustrations by German artist\nAlexander Preuss.\"\n\nI would like to read a copy, if only to look at the illustrations -\nthe library scene looks nice.\n\n- --\ngwern\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niEYEAREKAAYFAkk0e0EACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oKZWgCaA99W+wf27VVeFnCDEOKHaAeq\nu9AAmwaeRBshEd31+U48B9ua9HkbEMcd\n=89RE\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2008-12-02T00:12:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Got a spare grand-and-half?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "...\nIt features 7 full page, full color illustrations by German artist\nAlexander Preuss.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Did Preuss understand what he read? Seems to have missed the boat in a lot of ways. Obviously he's done a lot of hard work and some of this stuff looks great. But I have lots of issues with these not conforming to the text very closely. I have so many complaints here I should just not get started, I suppose.\n\nmost of the plates.\nhttp://www.abalakin.de/special_080216.asp\n\na few more\nhttp://www.abalakin.de/gallery.asp" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10812011622w30422fc3u5597a9c6fdaedc8d@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-12-02T00:22:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Got a spare grand-and-half?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Son of Witz wrote:\n\nDid Preuss understand what he read? Seems to have missed the boat in a lot of ways. Obviously he's done a lot of hard work and some of this stuff looks great. But I have lots of issues with these not conforming to the text very closely. I have so many complaints here I should just not get started, I suppose." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, I think that at various times we've all missed the New Sun boat\nin one way or another. I don't think any of the illustrations conform\nto my view of Urth, though \"Leaving Nessus\" isn't too bad (though the\ncity is too futuristic by far). I think the biggest failure is the\n\"floating city\", which I take it is Preuss' illustration of the\nPelerine's \"cathedral\".\n\nLike you said, I could nitpick for hours, but won't.\n\nBy not showing much of Severian, and never showing him in decent\nlight, Preuss did at least solve the vexed problem of Sev's chest\nhair...\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2008-12-02T00:26:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Got a spare grand-and-half?", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10812011622w30422fc3u5597a9c6fdaedc8d@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, I think that at various times we've all missed the New Sun boat\nin one way or another. I don't think any of the illustrations conform\nto my view of Urth, though \"Leaving Nessus\" isn't too bad (though the\ncity is too futuristic by far). I think the biggest failure is the\n\"floating city\", which I take it is Preuss' illustration of the\nPelerine's \"cathedral\".\n\nLike you said, I could nitpick for hours, but won't.\n\nBy not showing much of Severian, and never showing him in decent\nlight, Preuss did at least solve the vexed problem of Sev's chest\nhair...\n\n-Matt" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Lol. Well avoided.\nthough he did avoid the fuligin along with it. \nand yeah, the Floating City is the most \"off\" thing there I think.\n\nI'm just a picky bastard I guess.\n~witz" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1424865858-1228189868-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1371716883-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "from": { "name": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-12-02T03:51:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Got a spare grand-and-half?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I got the non grand and a half version and am pretty pleased...come on over and I'll show you my etchings S of W...\n------Original Message------\nFrom: Son of Witz\nSender: urth-bounces at lists.urth.net\nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nReplyTo: The Urth Mailing List" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:12 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Got a spare grand-and-half?\n...\nIt features 7 full page, full color illustrations by German artist\nAlexander Preuss.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Did Preuss understand what he read? Seems to have missed the boat in a lot of ways. Obviously he's done a lot of hard work and some of this stuff looks great. But I have lots of issues with these not conforming to the text very closely. I have so many complaints here I should just not get started, I suppose.\n\nmost of the plates.\nhttp://www.abalakin.de/special_080216.asp\n\na few more\nhttp://www.abalakin.de/gallery.asp" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-12-03T01:06:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Got a spare grand-and-half?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "...\nIt features 7 full page, full color illustrations by German artist\nAlexander Preuss.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niEYEAREKAAYFAkk124cACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oJffACggjtw5/vbOQ8nnS+1u1B5hWzv\n9ZQAn3PAbSYf8XvuUuSBBy3aH/yu/4Kv\n=14kB\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Did Preuss understand what he read? Seems to have missed the boat in a lot of ways. Obviously he's done a lot of hard work and some of this stuff looks great. But I have lots of issues with these not conforming to the text very closely. I have so many complaints here I should just not get started, I suppose.\n\nmost of the plates.\nhttp://www.abalakin.de/special_080216.asp\n\na few more\nhttp://www.abalakin.de/gallery.asp" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I suppose we oughtn't to blame Preuss:\n\n\"Everey item that was visualized was good researched by me and from\nsome hardcore Gene Wolfe fans i met on the internet.\"" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2008-12-03T01:18:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Got a spare grand-and-half?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Did Preuss understand what he read? Seems to have missed the boat in a lot of ways. Obviously he's done a lot of hard work and some of this stuff looks great. But I have lots of issues with these not conforming to the text very closely. I have so many complaints here I should just not get started, I suppose." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I suppose we oughtn't to blame Preuss:\n\n\"Everey item that was visualized was good researched by me and from\nsome hardcore Gene Wolfe fans i met on the internet.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "We have met the enemy and he is us." } ] } ] }